Quantcast it's like Deja Vu all over again....more on blanks from Jeff Harborogh

Go Back   Silverfish Longboarding - The Longboard Skateboarding Community > General Longboard Discussion > 100% Skateboarding: Concrete Wave Magazine

100% Skateboarding: Concrete Wave Magazine Hosted by Michael Brooke.





Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 03-16-2007, 03:12 PM   #1 (permalink)
Publisher, Concrete Wave
Concrete Kahuna
 
skategeezer's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 2,651
skategeezer is creating a great reputation.
Default it's like Deja Vu all over again....more on blanks from Jeff Harborogh

from transworld biz...

FEATURES
Can We All Please Just Calm Down?

By Jeff Harbaugh

Posted 03.15.2007


I can’t believe I’m doing this. Oh lord, how many people am I going to piss off this time? I mean, I could just lay low and let the slings and arrows fly back and forth but no, I just don’t have the intestinal fortitude to keep my mouth shut. Instead, there’s this almost pathological need to try and reduce a highly controversial and frankly emotional issue to a series of business bullet points. I guess I’ll console myself by remembering that I’m not going to say anything here I didn’t say some years ago in Market Watch.
I might as well get it over with. Maybe it will help me sleep at night.
For those of you who live at the United States Air Force weather station three miles from the South Pole (and don’t have an internet connection), IASC and the leading skate hard goods companies created and wrote the 32 page insert called “Under Fire” that you all received in the recent issue of Transworld Business.
My hats off to them for achieving a level of efficiency and cooperation that, honestly, I wasn’t sure they could pull off. And they succeeded in highlighting what I think most of us would agree are the major issues confronting the skateboard hard goods industry today and identifying some action items. What I’m going to do is review those issues and then go a little deeper into the business implications of what they are saying and advocating.
Remember that “Under Fire” is a consensus document. That is, not everybody who was represented in it would agree with everything everybody else said. Still, I thought there was remarkable consistency across a number of key points.
And the Key Points Are…

The bedrock of the whole argument is that pros are the foundation on which skateboarding is built and that their influence is key to getting kids excited about and continually committed to skating. Okay, I agree that pros have big influence on the core of skating. How much? As much as they use to? Don’t know.
The next point is that the brands’ marketing activities, including their support of pros, is critical to the health of skateboarding. If skaters are buying blanks and shop decks (I consider those separate categories, and will discuss why later) rather than the more expensive branded decks, the brands can’t afford the same marketing programs. That’s simply a financial equation. Can’t argue with it.
And, the argument continues, if professional skateboarding and the associated promotional activities aren’t strong and can’t be continued at the same level skating, as an activity, a lifestyle, an attitude, and as a business is fated to decline.
Well that would suck if it actually happened. What do the brands want to do about it?
First, they acknowledge that it’s time to introduce some technology and innovation into skate hard goods to give skaters a reason to buy the more expensive branded decks. We’re already seeing some of that start to happen and you’ll see more. But of course it’s not an instant solution. The industry has spent a lot of time, effort, and marketing dollars to convince skaters that a skateboard is a seven to nine ply laminated product made of hard rock Canadian maple. Skaters seem to believe it. Getting some of them to pay more for something that ain’t quite that, even when the benefits seem obvious, will take some persuasion and some time.
I guess where we’d like to be in where, for example, golf is. You know- they come out with “new and improved” models every year and people buy them even though there’s nothing wrong with their old stuff and the new stuff is expensive and doesn’t necessarily make a difference in their game. Or like in automobiles- where the newest technology appears in the top of the line product and works its way down year by year.
This will require, however, that the pros be in lock step with their sponsors.
Second, they recognize the shop’s need for a better margin on branded hard goods. What are they going to do about it? Somewhere between lots and nothing. There are brands already offering better margins and some that just don’t want to compete at the lower price point. There is, by the way, nothing wrong with a business decision to not offer a less expensive product if that’s what your market position and targeted customers require.
“Under Fire” is only “the first step in IASC’s plan to continue educating and informing the industry about this issue.” There will be additional steps in the program. The supplement ends with a call to action suggesting some tactics that all the industry’s stakeholders should consider.
So, Where Are We Exactly?
You remember all this from a few years ago. Skating takes off, skate parks start to sprout like mushrooms, brands can’t keep up with demand. Everybody’s happy. Then the market gets big enough for the foreign, low cost manufacturers to notice it. “Hey, we can make this cheap,” they say. They’re right. The usual startup problems. Problems resolved. Eight bucks landed cost for a blank skateboard if you’re buying in quantity. Maybe less. Consumers get the idea that the quality of blanks and shop decks are the same as the branded deck. Big price difference. Product wears out. No fundamental change in the product in 20 years or so. Percentage margins decline. Worse, total margin dollars earned on a deck decline. Fifty to seventy percent of deck sales world wide (you pick the number you believe) are blanks and shop decks.
So after a period of rapid growth, the industry matured a bit and started to consolidate. Product becomes a bit of a commodity, price and margin pressures, volume matters, etc. Look, I’m not going to go through this for the 14th time. All the usual things happen that happen to any industry in its life cycle. Big surprise. It’s so predictable it’s boring.
__________________
Concretewavemagazine.com
click here to see back issues on line
http://www.silverfishlongboarding.co...409/Itemid,31/
skategeezer is online now  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links

Old 03-16-2007, 06:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
Concrete Kahuna
 
satori's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: coloRADo
Age: 22
Posts: 1,804
satori is on the right road.
Default Re: it's like Deja Vu all over again....more on blanks from Jeff Harborogh

i don't even care anymore. imo, id you really want to make bucks, you aren't working in the skateboard industry anyway.
satori is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2007, 10:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
Team Silverfish
Capo di Tutti Posto
 
EBasil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: San Diego, Calif.
Posts: 11,099
EBasil has tons of good stoke.EBasil has tons of good stoke.EBasil has tons of good stoke.
Default Re: it's like Deja Vu all over again....more on blanks from Jeff Harborogh

Ho ho! You should see some of the numbers at the popsicle stick companies. The owners of some of those brands make money like Sultans at tax time.
__________________
Relax, Don't Worry, Ride Your Longboard.
EBasil is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2007, 06:28 AM   #4 (permalink)
Addicted Cruiser
 
rawls's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: north Alabama
Age: 44
Posts: 578
rawls is on the right road.
Default Re: it's like Deja Vu all over again....more on blanks from Jeff Harborogh

that write-up is not new. that was done when everything was really fired up. They must have re-released the write-up.
__________________
My comments represent a selfishly one sided 1970's skateboarder mindset, and do not reflect the current fashion-skate-lifestyle industry's views.
rawls is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2007, 11:41 AM   #5 (permalink)
dkj
Addicted Cruiser
 
dkj's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 240
dkj is on the right road.
Default Re: it's like Deja Vu all over again....more on blanks from Jeff Harborogh

Quote:
Originally Posted by skategeezer
from transworld biz...

FEATURES
Can We All Please Just Calm Down?

By Jeff Harbaugh

Posted 03.15.2007



And, the argument continues, if professional skateboarding and the associated promotional activities aren’t strong and can’t be continued at the same level skating, as an activity, a lifestyle, an attitude, and as a business is fated to decline.
These pigs actually think that they "control" skating and that it flows top-down from them. That attitude is even more creepy/authoritarian than the rules of a 'fish board building contest!

Core skaters don't participate in the "activity" because they saw a pro on TV.

Skaters invented the "lifestyle". Pros and companies rip it off.

"Attitude"??? I'll give you So Cal wimps some f**kin' attitude...

Your "business is fated to decline" because you are greedy pimps with delusions of grandeur. Try establishing an industry on something more permanent than the attention span of pre-teens. Kick-flipping is an adolescent fad. Longboarding is for the ages.
[]
dkj is offline  
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!Spurl this Post!Reddit! Wong this Post!
Reply With Quote
Reply





Thread Tools
colspan="2">
Display Modes