According to my dictionary, both spacial and spatial are acceptable spellings. (btw, did you want those u-bolts and white rails? if not, i'll offer them up to whomever else was next in line).
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But the main point is that skateboarding have low women participation thus low ability level. Once the talent pool increases, the ability will rise. Just like surfing or snowboarding.
That's pretty much the argument that people always make. But there are plenty of sports in which women have been participating for over a century (tennis, running, swimming, etc.) and they are no closer to male levels than they were fifty years ago.
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At my local park, it's still quite a rarity to see a female skater. But I always enjoy watching girls skate, especially when they are good.
I agree with that. I like being around women and I think for a most part they have a positive impact on the "vibe" of a skate or surf session. I hope the numbers of female skaters continue to grow. I have a 9 year old daughter and she skates a lot around the neighborhood, but is still not interested in going to skate parks with us. I hope she changes her mind some day and joins us.
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"the pen is weak. skateboarding is as deadly as all hell" - gonz
That's pretty much the argument that people always make. But there are plenty of sports in which women have been participating for over a century (tennis, running, swimming, etc.) and they are no closer to male levels than they were fifty years ago.
There always will be that gap between men and women, that's just biology. No argument there.
As women push the limit, so are the men.
For female street skating , if there are thirty skaters of Elissa's level, it would make things interesting to watch.
It's getting there...
How many girls can do handrails today?
vs ten or five years ago?
The real question is, Can the Girls put on a show ?
In snowboarding, yes.
In surfing, (no comment, I find surfing competition boring to watch)
In BMX, no
In Motocross, no
In inline skating, yes (yea I watch inline )
In wakeboarding, yes
for skateboarding,
vert, no
street, sort of
bowl, yes
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Yeah, in inline I think her name is Fabiola Da Silva or something like that...she was skating in men's vert competitions and getting podium finishes. Some female snowboarders can throw down, but they aren't attempting 100+ foot rodeos or anything.
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That's pretty much the argument that people always make. But there are plenty of sports in which women have been participating for over a century (tennis, running, swimming, etc.) and they are no closer to male levels than they were fifty years ago.
Tell that to Ann Trason, or Paula Newby-Fraser...
In 1975, the women's marathon world record was 1.27 times that of the men's record. In 2005, it was 1.08. There have been swimming events have narrowed the gap since '75 as well (50m freestyle immediately comes to mind)...
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That fits with the idea that stamina events are ones in which women are closer to men. The handful of top women marathoners could indeed qualify for the men's olympic marathon, unlike any of the shorter track events. My main point was that even though we want to be able to say that "women can do anything men can do," it's not really true at the elite athlete level.
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odd... i don't see women snowboarders and women surfers dealing with this stuff...they ride and surf and life goes on...some are sponsored, some are not...some wind up on tv, some do not...
the ACT of skateboarding is paramount...if we can get more female skaters, great.
discouraging female skaters is a step backwards. enough said.
I don't think woman skateboard many times because of the male attitude towards them....I inlined vert for a while after destroying an ankle and there wasn't any of that attitude. Fabiola Da Silva in addition to being hot, is incrediblly tallented. Saying that women are capable of excelling because they are women was the reason women weren't allowed to fly combat airplanes for years. Baring Kara Hultgreen(who was just completely without skill) that was proven to be a flawed assumption woman are,at least physically, more suited to flying fighter aircraft than men.
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I believe they use to have women's inline vert in the x games but got rid of it. only Fabiola was invited to skate with the men, haven't heard of any other inline vert ladies except her.
x games have thrown out a lot of events, including inline.
I believe the only big contest inline street/vert have is the LG action sports.
Fuel channel don't show inlines.
I checked out the top women street on youtube, not sure how much tv time they got...
edit, the top guy
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i like the dervish shape, but i can't be the same as everyone else.
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I dont really agree with much of anything besides the skate crew stereotype.
dumb magazine.
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Since the new evo has the green graphic, does that mean the board will go faster? I heard they used a lighter paint, which makes the board lighter and faster?:-k
"OMG gurlz r stoopid and there bodies arnt bilt 4 that so they kant be good ever" is the oldest, lamest sexist putdown ever. "She only got published/sponsored/elected/promoted because she's a woman" is the second-oldest.
Clearly, at the elite, brute-force level women athletes aren't going to be able to run as fast or jump as high as male athletes. That doesn't matter much in skateboarding, where technical ability, fearlessness, and skill are usually more important than raw power.
But to say that women don't have the mental ability (euphemistically referred to as "spatial awareness") to keep track of their skateboards during 360 flips and therefore can never be as good as men at skateboarding is sexism in its rawest form.
On the second charge, those women were fully capable handrail and ledge skateboarders. They skated like good sponsored ams, which is basically what they are. And considering the fact that skateboarding is at least 95% male, the girls are doing OK for themselves.
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"OMG gurlz r stoopid and there bodies arnt bilt 4 that so they kant be good ever" is the oldest, lamest sexist putdown ever. "She only got published/sponsored/elected/promoted because she's a woman" is the second-oldest.
Clearly, at the elite, brute-force level women athletes aren't going to be able to run as fast or jump as high as male athletes. That doesn't matter much in skateboarding, where technical ability, fearlessness, and skill are usually more important than raw power.
But to say that women don't have the mental ability (euphemistically referred to as "spatial awareness") to keep track of their skateboards during 360 flips and therefore can never be as good as men at skateboarding is sexism in its rawest form.
On the second charge, those women were fully capable handrail and ledge skateboarders. They skated like good sponsored ams, which is basically what they are. And considering the fact that skateboarding is at least 95% male, the girls are doing OK for themselves.
The girls are doing OK given the following:
It is a numbers game but those numbers apply because of all physiological differences - muscle and brain included.
There are real, well documented physiological differences to the sexes - differences that I for one am profoundly grateful for.
The differences explain that while there are women who excel at what are traditionally considered male endeavors (and vice versa for that matter), the percentages are not the same due to a combination of factors.
The percentage differences outside of the physiological supported data in the numbers are exacerbated by attitudes but shitty attitudes do not dismiss the physiological realities.
When you couple some genuine advantages between the sexes and shitty attitudes, the numbers you get are what you get.
Might as well start bitching at the sun for being wrong in appearing to rise in the East as to try and dismiss the differences in people as only sexism, racism, sexualityism, SilverFishPosterism, etc.ism.
Want to change the numbers? Understand all the factors and work with them instead of trying to shout out the ones you don't agree with.
It is a numbers game but those numbers apply because of all physiological differences - muscle and brain included.
There are real, well documented physiological differences to the sexes - differences that I for one am profoundly grateful for.
The differences explain that while there are women who excel at what are traditionally considered male endeavors (and vice versa for that matter), the percentages are not the same due to a combination of factors.
The percentage differences outside of the physiological supported data in the numbers are exacerbated by attitudes but shitty attitudes do not dismiss the physiological realities.
When you couple some genuine advantages between the sexes and shitty attitudes, the numbers you get are what you get.
Might as well start bitching at the sun for being wrong in appearing to rise in the East as to try and dismiss the differences in people as only sexism, racism, sexualityism, SilverFishPosterism, etc.ism.
Want to change the numbers? Understand all the factors and work with them instead of trying to shout out the ones you don't agree with.
Shorter brainfartsalerts: men and women have different bodies. sexism plays a part in the lack of female pros, but mostly it's because they are largely physically unable to ride skateboards well.
Let's understand all the factors here.
Yes, there are obvious physiological differences between the sexes. But should we really attribute the lack of women in skateboarding to the idea that they're too stupid to figure out the tricks or physically unable to do them ("physiological differences, muscle and brain included")? No. On an athletic level, skateboarding isn't really that intense. If you can balance and jump, you can skate pretty much anything with enough practice. If a girl can kickflip 50-50 a double-set rail, it's safe to say that the female body is capable of skateboarding.
I'd say we should attribute the lack of women in high-level skateboarding to the fact that skateboarding is more male-dominated than any sport that isn't NASCAR. Very very few people who pick up a skateboard get good enough to go pro. Maybe 1 in 20 pros makes an impression on skateboarding. Millions of guys skate. A comparatively tiny number of women do. Is it at all surprising that all our skateboard heroes are men?
So why don't more girls skate? I'm putting that one on sexism in society and [more so] in skateboarding. Women are already discouraged from pursuing traditionally-male endeavors like skateboarding, but the skate industry isn't doing anything to welcome them.
The January issue of Thrasher (the closest skate magazine to my desk) has 16 images of women in it. Four of them are modeling Thrasher clothing. Another four were in a band. Two others were naked. Another was in the "hall of meat" section with a bloody hand, with the caption "Laura Swenson has a kill story to tell her grandkids. Stigmata rippage." None were actually shown skating.
Imagine you're a 14 year old girl looking through this magazine. Maybe you've skated a bit and enjoyed it. That magazine says "you're OK as eye candy; but don't bother actually skating." Combine that with the societal pressure to be feminine and delicate and vibing from male skateboarders and it's no wonder there aren't any successful female pro skateboarders.
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Re: skateboard stereotypes...from Curriculum magazine
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