At the same time, it’s sad to say but Independent came from slalom racing and had nothing to do with bowl riding. They still don’t get it, they never will get it because all they care about is moving units, and that’s fine and understandable, but they came from racing and had nothing to do with pools, banks, reservoirs, ditches whatever. It had to do with racing. They had Independent suspension trucks. They say Blackhart and I were the dudes…it was slalom racing. That was their deal. They didn’t realize that pools and parks were going to be the thing back in that period of skateboarding. I dig em’ though. They’re good guys.