It didn't take long (TdF)

**Momona Boe** · 07-15-2008 07:20 AM

Rugby? Football? Olympics? Pu$$ies!!!!!

Cyclists INVENTED doping! The rest are just trendy bandwagon jumpers!!!

**Blix** · 07-16-2008 08:48 AM

Yeaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

Finally Kurt Arve won!

**BuckWyld** · 07-16-2008 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Falkon

You would not believe the depth in these tests. They're blood tests. They check for you getting someone else's blood, abnormal levels of EPO testosterone, drugs, steroids, etc. I think the only thing you can actually do that can't be detected is blood doping by having a pint of your own blood drawn and kept then putting that pint back into you at a later time. More blood = more oxygen. I miss the old days when cyclists were falling over dead during the tour due to amphetamines.

Testing by it's nature is reactive not proactive. Given enough money you can get drugs that can not be tested because the testing agencies don't know it exists, like THG. Besides there are plenty of drugs that will help you even after you are able to pass a test and masking agents. Recently it seems like most athletes are not caught by testing but because their names appear in the records of PED distributors that get raided.

Also they don't just re-inject the blood, the way it works is that they draw blood, put it in a centrifuge to separate the red blood cells from the plasma and the replace the plasma. The red blood cells that carry oxygen are saved to be reinjected before the race. Testing can find an elevated count of red blood cells but the way to defeat the tests is by quickly injecting more plasma to balance the count once you find out about an upcoming test.

Most of the ways to beat testing are not that difficult, you just need to know how the testing works and have enough money to buy a solution.

**transitioned** · 07-16-2008 09:04 AM

Just in!

Spaniard Moises Nevado (Barloworld) arrested..

BBC SPORT | Other sport... | Cycling | Spanish rider Nevado fails test

**Wells** · 07-16-2008 09:42 AM

Question: Why are all these cyclists being arrested for doping? Is it illegal in France?

**Blix** · 07-16-2008 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by Wells

Question: Why are all these cyclists being arrested for doping? Is it illegal in France?

Yes, it`s illegal in France.

**transitioned** · 07-16-2008 10:09 AM

They should start organizing TdF in two categories: Stock and Unlimited

I'm serious...

Stock would be for the true, honorable, sportsman. Unlimited would be for the zonked, freak, impotent, guys who have a death wish (all drugs would be free to use).

I'm kind of worried about which oone f the categories would bring more tv audiences, sponsors and spectators...

**TexasBomber** · 07-16-2008 10:25 AM

They all dope in some form or fashion. The start of the 08 TDF all riders were tested,
over half showed traces of banned substances, all just under the limit. Those levels will fluxuate above and below the limit throughout the tour. They need to mandatory test every rider that completes a mountian stage and time trial. Most of the riders doping are just trying to keep their jobs, which does not pay much. It's ubelievable how much pressure these riders are under.

I have cycled and road raced since 1987 (been skating longer), the tour is getting faster and faster every year. No wonder.

**Mile_High_Mark** · 07-16-2008 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by TexasBomber

They all dope in some form or fashion. The start of the 08 TDF all riders were tested,
over half showed traces of banned substances, all just under the limit. Those levels will fluxuate above and below the limit throughout the tour. They need to mandatory test every rider that completes a mountian stage and time trial. Most of the riders doping are just trying to keep their jobs, which does not pay much. It's ubelievable how much pressure these riders are under.

I have cycled and road raced since 1987 (been skating longer), the tour is getting faster and faster every year. No wonder.

I remember reading some article where the average speed during some stage race was 24mph pre-EPO, and over 30mph after EPO had been introduced.

When faced with a crappy factory job and being a pro cyclist, people will do just about anything to avoid the factory.

**TexasBomber** · 07-16-2008 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by Mile_High_Mark

When faced with a crappy factory job and being a pro cyclist, people will do just about anything to avoid the factory.

Very Very true!

**Wells** · 07-17-2008 08:31 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/18/sp...18tour.html?hp

Bonus points to the NYT for using the word "gendarme."

**transitioned** · 07-17-2008 08:47 AM

Man, they are killing the sport...

Ricco was being hailed as the new Marco Pantani. A young gun who would accomplish great things in the future. At least by the Portuguese TV TdF commentators... Guess not. Ricco already done the Giro this year. Going strong on the Tour too (I wonder why?!.) It's a ####### shame.