Facebook News: Kill off 10 friends get a free whopper

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Facebook Blows A Whopper Of An Opportunity



Hahaah this is hilarious+genious

[Snow]

I know a few people I would sacrifice for a whopper....

No facebook needed.

[Braden343]

dang, I would gladly have gotten rid of my friends for 50 whoppers

[LaneMeyer]

Burger King = radiated, hormone laden, pesticide filled, genetically modified shite

[Hanael]

Originally Posted by LaneMeyer

Burger King = radiated, hormone laden, pesticide filled, genetically modified shite

but they're delicious.

what else can you ask, for a good whopper?

[rips4stoke]

Originally Posted by LaneMeyer

Burger King = radiated, hormone laden, pesticide filled, genetically modified shite

exactly...good ol' fashioned american burgers lol!

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by LaneMeyer

Burger King = radiated, hormone laden, pesticide filled, genetically modified shite

i can understand the rest (to a certain extent), but how is irradiated meat a bad thing? in terms of health effects?

[LaneMeyer]

Originally Posted by tomahawk

i can understand the rest (to a certain extent), but how is irradiated meat a bad thing? in terms of health effects?

Yeah, well I guess there are mixed reviews on that. I've eaten plenty a whopper in my day. I won't touch the stuff anymore.
But I'll tell you this, check out the documentary Seeds of Change and you will see how corporations like Monsanto are purposefully mutating our food supply so they can patent, control, and reap the profits from it.

[HerBDerb]

I don't know much about irradiated food, but wouldn't ingesting it expose you to some extent of rads?
Or have I just been playing too much Fallout?

[LaneMeyer]

Originally Posted by HerBDerb

I don't know much about irradiated food, but wouldn't ingesting it expose you to some extent of rads?
Or have I just been playing too much Fallout?

Supposedly it kills harmful bacteria and germs and what not. Don't know if it would actually expose you to radiation or not. Using your cell phone or having it near you when it rings exposes you to radiation though. Using the microwave exposes you to radiation.

[TheFuzz]

sometimes I won't even have my phone in my pocket and I feel vibration from the place it would sit in my pocket.


I should sue someone

[Rabid Skunk]

Absolutely genius marketing.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by LaneMeyer

Yeah, well I guess there are mixed reviews on that. I've eaten plenty a whopper in my day. I won't touch the stuff anymore.
But I'll tell you this, check out the documentary Seeds of Change and you will see how corporations like Monsanto are purposefully mutating our food supply so they can patent, control, and reap the profits from it.

not really news. Monsanto is a massive chemical company. They make better seeds. seeds for plants that use less water, require less pesticides, grow larger, grow faster etc etc. They're a company, they need to make profits. I will agree with you that theyre practice of selling seeds engineered so that when the plants mature it's impossible to get regrow the seeds is bad (and particularly bad for 3rd world farmers who cant afford to farm on the scale required to buy seeds every season), but the practice of patenting, and profiting from something you invent/invest LOTS of money in/is WAY better than normal stuff is quite normal.

I dont see you complaining about computer companies that make better, faster, cooler (temperature wise) computer chips, then patent, control, and reap the profits from it.

Originally Posted by LaneMeyer

Supposedly it kills harmful bacteria and germs and what not. Don't know if it would actually expose you to radiation or not. Using your cell phone or having it near you when it rings exposes you to radiation though. Using the microwave exposes you to radiation.

might i recommend a little bit of reading before blindy spouting things? Radiation is light. stepping outside exposes you to radiation. Light in certain wavelengths can indeed kill bacteria, but it has ZERO aftereffects. turn on the light in your room at night. then turn it off. do you see any bits of light left over? that's what irradiating your food does. you shine some special light on the meat, then turn off the light. there's no after effects, nothing. It just kills stuff that might be alive. which i think is good?

the radiation/irradiation you might be thinking of is akin to solid RADIOACTIVE chunks of some material. Now that stuff emits light in a specific verry harmful region of the light spectrum, and not to mention if you injest it it'll bombard your innards not only with light (sometimes for a VERY long time), but with little atoms of hydrogen and helium (not quite accurate, but simplified), which can cause great damage.

so unless food companies are sprinkling meat with a plutonium dust (or something similar) irradiation is a 100% harmless and more efficient method of sterilizing meat (oh, and before you ask, no they arent sprinkling meat with plutonium dust). They prolly use something like fancy light bulbs.



education: the ability to learn to determine things for yourself instead of blindly following what others say.

it's useful

[HerBDerb]

^ OK, so they're not bombarding it with neutrons, leaving it radioactive?
Just gamma/micro/other waves that don't leave and/or cause residual radiation?

Up until now, I didn't even realize that food was irradiated, other than when you microwave it.

[mc99david]

Originally Posted by TheFuzz

sometimes I won't even have my phone in my pocket and I feel vibration from the place it would sit in my pocket.


I should sue someone

i have that happen all the time too... its kinda weird.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by HerBDerb

^ OK, so they're not bombarding it with neutrons, leaving it radioactive?
Just gamma/micro/other waves that don't leave and/or cause residual radiation?

Up until now, I didn't even realize that food was irradiated, other than when you microwave it.

using particles (neutro, alpha, beta) to sterilize meat would be pointless. These particles (since they are particles) can only penetrate a tinnnnny amount below the surface. So you really wouldnt be sterilizing much of anything.

gamma/xrays/whatever rays on the other hand, will go straight through

[pennypusher]

the company that was leading the way in irradiated foods was surebeam,they went bankrupt 3 yrs ago.
for awhile allot of meats in the grocery had irradiated sticker on it ,then when they went bust it disappeared.
the idea is actually much safer for imported fruit and vegetables and the amount of radiation based on test i have read is insignificant.
but who knows if that is true.
using a microwave will also increase your estrogen levels buy minuscule amounts.

[tomahawk]

Originally Posted by loadedfisherman

the idea is actually much safer for imported fruit and vegetables and the amount of radiation based on test i have read is insignificant.
but who knows if that is true.
using a microwave will also increase your estrogen levels buy minuscule amounts.

unless the company is doing something VERY VERY wrong, it's IMPOSSIBLE to have residual radiation on the meat from the irradiation process. I'm curious if the test you read measured whatever natural radiation the food emitted before the irradiation process.

as for microwave use increasing estrogen levels, do you have a citation for this study? I would think this very difficult to do a controlled study on/very very unlikely, short of the microwave process somehow causing a reaction in your food that would produce estrogen.


there is far too much hearsay and not enough hard science (and unfortunately too often shitty science) in these types of debates, so excuse my skepticism.

[pennypusher]

hers a link and unfortunately a long post,i dont even think bk irradiates the meat any longer,i only knew about it because i took a hell of a beating in surebeam shares,the company that had the contract with bk.I thought it was great concept at the time.
there are a ton of health reports on this irradiation microwave stuff
truth is i eat out of a vita mixer during the week and fill my body with garbage on weekends.

The food and nuclear industries, with strong government support, have capitalized on recent outbreaks of pathogenic E.coli 0157 meat poisoning to mobilize public acceptance of large scale food irradiation. Already, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is allowing the use of high-level radiation to “treat” beef, pork, poultry, eggs, vegetables, fruit, flour and spices, while the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) proposes the imminent irradiation of imported fruit and vegetables.
Caving in to powerful corporate industry interests, both House and Senate Appropriations Committees have recently proposed to sanitize the FDA’s already weakened labeling requirements for irradiated food by eliminating the word “irradiated” in favor of “electronic pasteurization” (1); this term was proposed by the San Diego based Titan corporation, an erstwhile major defense contractor using highly costly linear accelerator “E-beam” technology, originally designed for President Reagan’s “Star Wars” program, which shoots food with a stream of electrons travelling at the speed of light. However, the proposed electronic pasteurization label is a euphemistic absurdity, especially since the FDA’s approved meat radiation dosage of 450,000 rads is approximately 150 million times greater than that of a chest X-ray, besides circumventing consumers’ fundamental right-to-know.
Furthermore, the new labeling initiative is reckless. Irradiated meat is a very different product from cooked meat. Whether irradiated by linear accelerators or pelletized radioactive isotopes, the resulting ionizing radiation produces highly reactive free radicals and peroxides from unsaturated fats. U.S. Army analyses in 1977 revealed major differences between volatile chemicals formed during irradiation or cooking meat (2). Levels of the carcinogen benzene in irradiated beef were found to be some tenfold higher than cooked beef. Additionally, high concentrations of six poorly characterized “Unique Radiolytic chemical Products” (URPs), admittedly “implicated as carcinogens or carcinogenic under certain conditions,” were also identified (2).
Based on these striking changes in the chemistry of irradiated meat, FDA’s 1980 Irradiated Food Committee explicitly warned that safety testing should be based on concentrated extracts of irradiated foods, rather than on whole foods, to maximize the concentration of radiolytic products (3). This would enable development of sufficient sensitivity essential for routine safety testing. In 1984, one of us more specifically urged that: “Stable radiolytic products could be extracted from irradiated foods by various solvents which could then be concentrated and subsequently tested. Until such fundamental studies are undertaken, there is little scientific basis for accepting industry’s assurances of safety” (4). In an accompanying editorial comment, FDA was quoted as admitting that “it is nearly impossible to detect (and test radiolytic products) with current techniques" on the basis of which the agency's claims of safety and regulatory abdication still persist (5).
While refusing to require standard toxicological and carcinogenicity testing of concentrated extracts of radiolytic products from irradiated meat and other foods, FDA instead has relied on some five studies selected from over 400 prior to the early 1980’s, on which its claims of safety still remain based. However, the chair of FDA’s Irradiated Food Task Committee which reviewed these studies insisted that none were adequate by 1982 standards (6), and even less so by the 1990’s (7). Furthermore, detailed analysis of these studies revealed that all were grossly flawed and non-exculpatory (.
These results are hardly surprising since a wide range of independent studies prior to 1986 clearly identified mutagenic and carcinogenic radiolytic products in irradiated food, and confirmed evidence of genetic toxicity in tests on irradiated food (9). Studies in the 1970’s, by India’s National Institute of Nutrition, reported that feeding freshly radiated wheat to monkeys, rats, mice and to a small group of malnourished children induced gross chromosomal abnormalities in blood or bone marrow cells, and mutational damage in rodents (10).
Food irradiation results in major micronutrient losses, particularly vitamins A, C, E, and the B complex (11). As admitted by the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Agriculture Research Service (ARS), these losses are synergistically increased by cooking, resulting in “empty calorie” food (12); this is a concern of major importance for malnourished populations. Radiation has also been used to clean up food unfit for human consumption, such as spoiled fish, by killing odorous contaminating bacteria.
While the USDA is strongly promoting meat and poultry irradiation, it has been moving to deregulate and privatize the industry by promoting a self-policing “Hazard Analysis and Critical Control Point” (HACCP) control program (13); later this year, the agency will start a rulemaking process to privatize meat inspection. Moreover, the Department of Energy (DOE) continues its decades long aggressive promotion of food irradiation as a way of reducing disposal costs of spent military and civilian nuclear fuel by providing a commercial market for cesium nuclear wastes.
Irradiation facilities using pelletized isotopes pose risks of nuclear accidents to communities nationwide from the hundreds of facilities envisaged for the potentially enormous radiation market; in contrast to nuclear power stations, these facilities are small, minimally regulated, unlikely to be secure, and require regular replenishment of Cobalt (Co-60) or Cesium (Cs-137) isotopes, entailing nationwide transportation hazards. Furthermore, linear accelerators, besides plants using radioactive isotopes, pose grave hazards to workers and are subject to virtually no regulation.
The track record of the irradiation industry is, at best, unimpressive. Robert Alvarez, former DOE Senior Policy Advisor, recently warned that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission files are bulging with unreported documents on radioactive spills, worker over-exposure, and off-site radiation leakage (16). Strangely, the Environmental Protection Agency has still failed to require an Environmental Impact Statement prior to the siting of food irradiation facilities.
The focus of the radiation and agribusiness industries is directed to the highly lucrative cleanup of contaminated food rather than to preventing contamination at its source (17). However, 0157 food poisoning can be largely prevented by long overdue improved sanitation. Feedlot pen sanitation, including reducing overcrowding, drinking water chlorination and fly control, would drastically reduce cattle infection rates. Moreover, 0157 infection rates could be virtually eliminated by feeding hay, rather than the standard unhealthy starchy grain diet, for seven days prior to slaughter (1. Sanitation would also prevent water contamination from feed lot run off, incriminated in the recent outbreak of 0157 poisoning in Walkerton, Ontario (20); run off will remain a continuing threat even if all meat was irradiated.
Pre-slaughter, post-knocking and post-evisceration sanitation at meat packing plants is highly effective for reducing carcass contamination rates (19). Testing pooled carcasses for 0157 and Salmonella contamination is economical, practical, and rapid. The expense of producing sanitary meat would be trivial compared to the high costs of irradiation, including possible nuclear accidents, which would be passed on to consumers. Additional high costs are likely to result from an anticipated international ban on the imports of irradiated U.S. food, and also from losses of tourist revenues.
We charge that support of the “electronically pasteurized” label by the food and radiation industries, governmental agencies, and Congress, is a camouflaged denial of citizen’s fundamental right-to-know. Rather than sanitizing the label in response to special interests, Congress should focus on sanitation and not irradiation of the nation’s food supply.

The Hidden Hazards of Microwave Cooking :: Health-Science.Com ::

[tomahawk]

very interesting writeup about irradiation. it sounds biased against it, but raises very good points about
degradation or vitamins/other stuff.

I sincerely hope to god (and am pretty damn sure) that people only used linear accelerators/electron beams for studies, because I currently have to wait several months for even a shot at using one for my work, and if theyre using them to cook meat i'll be pissed

good to learn more about this, it's interesting. The other side of the story sounds less alarmist
Food Irradiation
Food irradiation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

there still seems to be concerns, but not much seems concretely proven


as for microwaves, i'm a little more skeptical. making broad blanket statements that microwaves are bad for all foods doesnt seem quite a good approach.