2009 East Coast Outlaw Downhill Series

[Pat S]

If you really think you can pull off an outlaw there without getting busted... we should make the course something like this.

from:Kuhn Rd to:40.127474,-77.064929 to:Spring Ln - Google Maps

[rayzor tattoos]

If you really think you can pull off an outlaw there without getting busted... we should make the course something like this.

from:Kuhn Rd to:40.127474,-77.064929 to:Spring Ln - Google Maps

won't work
flattens way out
and once you get that far into the neighborhood u have to deal with stop signs, traffic, and neighbors
the beauty of this spot is that it is on a mountain and sits ABOVE the neighborhood
and it is fast
we r gonna keep looking but this is a pretty good spot (so far)
like i said before we r gonna have to trust the local point man (girl) to make the calls, only they know their areas
i know what townships NOT to go to, and which ones r safer to deal with (i have skated in this area for 30 yrs)
this area is only patrolled by state cops
like i said we r still looking
we have others
but traffic and police are an issue around here
i would rather run a more chill race
than have to take someone to the hospital
or explain to a 17 yr old's mother why their kid got hit by a car at our race, and this point i will stand firm on
ps
please understand this too guys/gals-speedboarding around here is very new, and when we talk about "our" speeds around here we underestimate, ie when i say we went 45 today i meant it. there is a chance we will have quite the number of people show up and i really would like for everyone to participate, not many newbies can handle this stuff. especially if we want to promote the sport. not just the guys that race all the time.
this will be the focus of our race
again we will have a 20-25 beginners race the day before.
if this does not fit into what you guys see for the overall picture of the "eastern series" that is completely ok by me. not bein a dick but don't wanna bum you guys out with our race nor do i want it to be the other way. not pullin out, not threatening to, just making myself clear for all our sakes
peace
ray

[Crappysurfer]

We're having a series without different classes (pro/am) in which you gain points....now if you say you're going to have a race for newbies that doesnt count in the series...well then thats just a session

[dkeller33]

We're having a series without different classes (pro/am) in which you gain points....now if you say you're going to have a race for newbies that doesnt count in the series...well then thats just a session

OK, I've been reading along and watching this with much interest. For the record Ray and I have been skating together for the majority of our lives and yes we're very good friends.

Now back to the subject at hand. The comment above is a pretty arrogant one. Is this about promoting a sport which we love or is it about a few of the east coast downhill jocks trying to make a name for themselves? The latter being the case you guys should go play with the big boyz. The main objective here should be to keep it safe and keep it fun for EVERYONE. If a little less technical hill is no fun for a few of you then you need to step off and let the majority come out and have a good time and promote downhill skateboarding.

The race in Joppatowne, MD last weekend was on a fun mellow hill. There were a lot of people show up but when it came race time there were only 12 entrants. The point being that even the hill some of us call "mellow" scares others away. When the races actually started that mellow hill became a little faster and not so mellow. The affect of the race makes people step up their game and the drafting and running close makes things more dangerous. A little slower, less technical hill results in fun races and most importantly, everyone goes home safe and sound. That should be the main objective here.

This series shouldn't be about any one of us individually. It should be about all of us collectively and what is best for the most people and the sport. IMHO the more competitors the more fun. Safety and fun first my young brothers........

[Crappysurfer]

so what do you want me to say?

[dkeller33]

I don't want you to say anything. You're lack of something to say speaks volumes.

What I want is for some of you guys to understand that this series you're all proposing shouldn't be about the elite riders........ unless of course what you're looking for is a race with 6 entrants and 50 spectators (if you're fortunate enough to get people to travel to super technical hills to begin with). If that's what you truly want that's fine too but understand that I bet the majority would prefer a fun hill like last weekend in Joppatowne. I think it's safe to say you'll have a hard time finding anyone who was there that didn't have a great time.

Look here's the deal. My experience traveling in the 80's and riding in vert contests has taught me that strict structure and rules ruins the fun. If you guys take this too seriously and blow it out of proportion you're going to ruin it for the majority. I agree that a series would be an awesome thing. You guys who want to organize it have an opportunity to make a great overall event but don't get to into what you're trying to do.

The majority of the planning of individual races should be left to the locals running the races. If it turns out shitty oh well, you chock it up as a learning experience and go to the next race. But like I said earlier it should be about having fun, being safe, and being all inclusive because at the end of the day that's what makes it a good time. Newbies this season turn into seasoned veterans next season. Start low and slow and build from there.

With that I'm done....... I will once again fade into the dark recesses of cyberland and lurk. I hope to see everyone in Harrisburg next May for FUN day of racing.......... and the after BBQ is at my place.

[nokeboarder]

this hill is closed to traffic pavement has cracks that were recently filled in with asphalt, problems are no real run out all hairpins (4 of them) have guard rails and it ends in a small neighborhood just check it out not the best but it is closed to traffic.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en...5cc833551aac3a

[RBriggs85]

I don't want you to say anything. You're lack of something to say speaks volumes.

What I want is for some of you guys to understand that this series you're all proposing shouldn't be about the elite riders........ unless of course what you're looking for is a race with 6 entrants and 50 spectators (if you're fortunate enough to get people to travel to super technical hills to begin with). If that's what you truly want that's fine too but understand that I bet the majority would prefer a fun hill like last weekend in Joppatowne. I think it's safe to say you'll have a hard time finding anyone who was there that didn't have a great time.

Look here's the deal. My experience traveling in the 80's and riding in vert contests has taught me that strict structure and rules ruins the fun. If you guys take this too seriously and blow it out of proportion you're going to ruin it for the majority. I agree that a series would be an awesome thing. You guys who want to organize it have an opportunity to make a great overall event but don't get to into what you're trying to do.

The majority of the planning of individual races should be left to the locals running the races. If it turns out shitty oh well, you chock it up as a learning experience and go to the next race. But like I said earlier it should be about having fun, being safe, and being all inclusive because at the end of the day that's what makes it a good time. Newbies this season turn into seasoned veterans next season. Start low and slow and build from there.

With that I'm done....... I will once again fade into the dark recesses of cyberland and lurk. I hope to see everyone in Harrisburg next May for FUN day of racing.......... and the after BBQ is at my place.

I'll agree with you on the fun part.
But ill have to disagree with you on everything else.

There are a lot more than 6 "elite" riders on the east coast that will travel to gnar spots because thats what it all about.
Sure it's good to try to bring the "newbies" into the equation too but just face the fact, that with downhill racing you either are ready or your not.
Throw unexperienced people in the middle of some serious racing is how people get hurt.
Ever seen what happens to a person when they smack the hood of a car at 40mph? I have, and I hope I never do again.

My bottom line is that outlaw downhill events in the extremely populated east coast have to be taken almost over seriously.
People die doing this ####, and it always because of cars which are always part of outlaw racing.

So let the newbies start low and slow, but for us guys who know what 50+mph is all about and do it on a regular basis's we want GNAR.

If it doesn't scare the piss outta me I'm not having as much fun as I could be.

And again if you want a "newbie" downhill race just go watch soapbox derby or something.
The kids who come out and dont think they are good enough to race will get so stoked from watching that they will go out and ride every single day until they feel they have the skills to come back to compete.

[Crappysurfer]

Robert summed it up pretty well. I know the race course mason and i are organizing around isnt difficult, we arent leaving the groms out at all but when you throw a course into a series that is 20mph and a straight line...well who wants to drive 5 hours for that? i can push at 20mph. The east coast has lost a lot of its serious races so riders are looking for a replacement. we're trying to do that. you're right there are a lot more groms than 'elite' riders as you would and we're not trying to exclude them, i welcome all riders to every race. races are learning experiences and i would like as many people to come to our race as possible. like i said the course isnt difficult and you can make the choice to compete once you get there. There is always riding after and before, some of it more challenging some of it less challenging. You dont know me, so stop acting like im some arrogant prick trying to screw over the beginners. I think that by choosing the course we did we're allowing people who want to push it, to push it and newer people to take it easy and still survive.

anyway, just chill

[Longbord1]

Agree 100% with crappy. I can see both views, but just for the record... THIS IS DOWNHILL SKATEBOARDING.

It involves going fast. If you aren't used to going fast, then downhill isn't your thing just yet.

[SpeedFiend]

yeah pat i skated that.
pavements weird

i took these photos. i kind of like that. county line is right near here. sick sick road. and im sure there is other great runs in the area. i would consider the course chill and mellow that the outlaw was at. i have some way more intense stuff that i wanna hold a race at, but an outlaw would not work out. these guys put on an event, know way more than most on the fish and have contacts in the community on the business side as well. so im gonna side with them. its a fun environment when they have a race. i know this and i dont even attend.

harrisburg is way out of the way for a 20mph hill.

[rayzor tattoos]

lol
ok
hope we all feel better now
dean is a bit extreme, but he is pure of heart and whereas his wording is harsh (pa east coast style) i am in agreement, and he does throw a mean bbq.

ok
crappy i got where u r coming from, and once u elaborate your stance, u come across very clear and i agree there too
call the sat race what u want (a rose by any other name), and it will NOT interfere with sun race-so big deal-just when ever we ran contests in the past we ALWAYS offered more than 1 division (an 80's thing i guess, 1a, 2a, sponsor, am, and pro) more of a liberal ideal i suppose

briggs
in no way am i proposing a "newbie" race for anyone to be part of the series, perhaps i didn't make myself clear, early on. in fact i perhaps should have never even mentioned the slower race since it is not "officially" part of the series and in fact is just an offshoot, but it will be handled/run like a race to be fair and respectful to the people riding in it.
u will have gnar by the way-we got gnar
last thing i want is u guys to come here and say "what a joke"
the run i showed yesterday is an s-turn at the top and a somewhat hairpin at the bottom
it is "safe": good run out, min traffic that is controllable, 1/2 mile long (gotta check that), and definitely a min of 45 mph

again
if u guys feel 2 races in pa, or the terrain isn't good enough for the series or it just doesn't work for u guys - no hard feelings. we can run it completely independent from the series, that's ok by me
i'll just have to put up a $1000 purse to get u guys to come

ps
if u guys haven't noticed by now i purposely conduct myself in a nonthreatening way to promote unity and cooperation, and do not name call nor accuse, i expect the same from all of you.

pps
who's in charge of this thing?-lol

[longboardertwan]

This is why the freeriding before and after the race is so important. The race just legitimizes us all driving hours to go skate with each other and to help get more people into the #### nice and thick all dug in with the desire to do nothing else for the rest of their life but go down hills fast. If you don't feel comfortable racing you should still come because we are going to be doing more freeriding than racing anyway and it's the best way to learn and grow as a skater and a person in general. Travelling for skating has made my life so much better. This gives everyone a reason to go out and see something they haven't seen, learn some things and meet some people. I'd say that if you want to do an am race that's cool but just make sure there is enough time to get everyone on the hill for the actual series racing and have a handful of hills near by to go skate after the racing is done.

I think it all comes down to the one statement that you will find plastered all over NCDSA by Rick Kludy - "Stand up RULES!!!"

[rayzor tattoos]

This is why the freeriding before and after the race is so important. The race just legitimizes us all driving hours to go skate with each other and to help get more people into the #### nice and thick all dug in with the desire to do nothing else for the rest of their life but go down hills fast. If you don't feel comfortable racing you should still come because we are going to be doing more freeriding than racing anyway and it's the best way to learn and grow as a skater and a person in general. Travelling for skating has made my life so much better. This gives everyone a reason to go out and see something they haven't seen, learn some things and meet some people. I'd say that if you want to do an am race that's cool but just make sure there is enough time to get everyone on the hill for the actual series racing and have a handful of hills near by to go skate after the racing is done.

I think it all comes down to the one statement that you will find plastered all over NCDSA by Rick Kludy - "Stand up RULES!!!"

spoken like a true leader-lol
am race will be sat nite
we will offer session hills
place(s) to stay
and a bbq

[SpeedFiend]

how old do i have to be to stay over your house mister?

[LongboardSkillz97]

If someone can make it happen smugglers notch in VT is definitely race worthy. It is also closed from mid fall through early spring, so cars aren't a problem, but snow is.

[rayzor tattoos]

how old do i have to be to stay over your house mister?

lol
just bring your sister
or mom
or.....
farm animals?

ps
who says "ban speedfiend"
i like this guy

[Crappysurfer]

just for clarification...at the first sultans of speed we had an AM class and only 2 people signed up, so we scrapped it

[rayzor tattoos]

just for clarification...at the first sultans of speed we had an AM class and only 2 people signed up, so we scrapped it

noted
we do have an interest here though
and maybe by spring they will all have stepped it up and this whole subject is mute

[GravityRider15]

Damn, there's a state park in PA that would be a great place, but at 45mph, traffic becomes too dangerous.