Adhesive alternatives

[whitmell]

I've searched, but haven't really been able to find what I'm looking for. I can't afford any more epoxy right now, so I'd like some less expensive alternatives. I saw on toothless where he uses the polyurethane component wood glue, is that something you can get at Home depot/Lowes? Basically I'm trying to find an inexpensive solution that I can buy at HD, Lowes, or walmart. If I have to go to the boating store I can but they have crappy hours.

Thanks!

[tomcat360]

titebond III or Franklin Multibond skate. im saying this with no prior experience with the products, so anybody feel free to object.

[Wicked.Pissah]

gorilla glue. or, although it might not be as dependable, a generic or stroe brand similar polyurethane-based wood laminate.

[silversurfer]

Chewing gum....

or the two part epoxy that you dont want to use.

[thepinkpantherpm]

titebond III (wood glue 3) i just got done using it... works good i guess, its the only stuff ive used...

[whitmell]

I totally forgot about seeing people talk about Titebond, thanks. I really wish I had the cash to just use epoxy though. So do you think a 40 incher with a tail (think sector 9 OG) made from 2 1/4" sheets of baltic birch titebonded together will be good? I know the tail will probably be a little flexy but that's ok, this is for a guy that won't be doing all that much ollieing any time soon.

I want to make myself a board from the 2 leftover sheets from my last board, about 25 inches. This will be for use in the local skatepark, especially the bowl. Should I hold out for the epoxy (will have to be after christmas) or will titebond be fine?

[Wicked.Pissah]

i'd go for epoxy and glass. what thickness wood are you using? flexibility is a liability in the park.

[enjoisoad]

NOT shoe goo


......dont ask

[whitmell]

Thanks for the help guys, but I think I found my option today at Boater's World: MAS epoxies. Titebond III is $17 for 16 oz. MAS Epoxy, on the other hand, is $21 for 32 oz. Then the hardener is $14 for 16oz. So you get 3 times the adhesive for double the price, but it's epoxy, which makes it even more worth it. The guys at Boater's World said they've been told by customers that it actually works better than West Systems Epoxy. It's about 10 bucks cheaper and if you actually compare the mL on each container, there's slightly more of the MAS.

[tomcat360]

did you see how much they were selling cloth for while you were there?

[whitmell]

did you see how much they were selling cloth for while you were there?

Prepackaged 6 oz: 44" x 3 yards for $27.99, 38" x 3 yds for $24.99
not bad considering the other boating store I got my stuff from is 12.99/yd at about 38" wide

[tomcat360]

were you buying from west marine? sounds like what Im payin

[whitmell]

were you buying from west marine? sounds like what Im payin

Boat U.S.A.

[BOMBSAWAY]

IF your gonna use MAS epoxy to actually adhere the sheets of wood you need to get a "filler" to mix into the epoxy and hardener, it is often called silica, but there are different kinds. Using just the plain MAS epoxy and hardener wont bond nearly as well as mixing in the filler to add strength. Your board will look cool for about a week, then start to de-lam after flexing it a few times. For the additional 7 bucks get the filler. Its a powder you mix into the epoxy just before putting it on the board.

If you want, PM me and I will explain further.

[whitmell]

even if I'm using fiberglass?

[BOMBSAWAY]

your going to use fiberglass inbetween sheets of wood and not on the bottom of the deck? If you are doing that then no, you dont have to use "filler" to strengthen the bond. Most of us here use fiberglass on the bottom of the board where it uses its properties the best to stiffen or reduce torsion.

If you are using fiberglass inbetween sheets of wood: 1) Mix the epoxy and hardener, apply a thin coat to one side of the wood with a squegee. 2)Lay your glass on the other piece of wood and pour mixed epoxy over the glass and lightly squegee it to fully saturate it, it should become clear. 3)sandwich the two sides together, and press or vacuum press depending on your set-up.

Other people do it different ways, but I worked with MAS for while until switching over to West Systems Epoxy. Hopefully you got the fast hardener because the medium hardener takes DAYS to cure in the press, at least 7.

Good luck.

[whitmell]

your going to use fiberglass inbetween sheets of wood and not on the bottom of the deck? If you are doing that then no, you dont have to use "filler" to strengthen the bond. Most of us here use fiberglass on the bottom of the board where it uses its properties the best to stiffen or reduce torsion.

If you are using fiberglass inbetween sheets of wood: 1) Mix the epoxy and hardener, apply a thin coat to one side of the wood with a squegee. 2)Lay your glass on the other piece of wood and pour mixed epoxy over the glass and lightly squegee it to fully saturate it, it should become clear. 3)sandwich the two sides together, and press or vacuum press depending on your set-up.

Other people do it different ways, but I worked with MAS for while until switching over to West Systems Epoxy. Hopefully you got the fast hardener because the medium hardener takes DAYS to cure in the press, at least 7.

Good luck.

this is how I did it for my first board, it came out really well and created an even seal all the way around. I guess it would be cheaper to use the filler and save the fiberglass for the bottom (after I stain & paint it), so I may do that this time.

Why did you switch to West, is it that much better?

[BOMBSAWAY]

West is probably the best to use, not too much of a noticable difference from MAS, just that I get it local and dont pay shipping. All in all MAS with Fast hardener is good stuff. Get the filler from thier site or whomever you deal with, tell them its for bonding wood. Keep the glass on the bottom, it does the most there!
Good luck and post pics, eveyone likes to see others work.

[whitmell]

Thanks so much for the help, I will stick w/ mas at the moment in the interest of my wallet, having used West I will be able to compare. I'll be sure to get the right filler too. Oh, and here's the pics from my first (and only) board:

http://www.silverfishlongboarding.co...ic.php?t=19148

It didn't have any concave or camber, my next 2 boards will have concave and tails, then after that I will tackle camber.

[whitmell]

Oh one more question, if I put like 2 or 3 layers of glass on the bottom and maybe one on the top, do you think I could get away with only one 1/4" sheet of baltic birch for extra flex?

Thanks!