Glassing Over Stain

**Kolaya** · 08-01-2008 03:12 PM

I searched the site and yahoo pretty extensively for about an hour now, and cant seem to find whether or not i can put oil-based stain on my board before i glass it. if not, what do other people do for a graphic on fiberglassed boards. i have a feeling that since you have to remove all the grease and oil from the board before glassing that it might not work with the stain. Anybody know for sure?? thanks

**Rich Nelson** · 08-01-2008 05:01 PM

i ran in to the same problem a little while back, from what i learned you should not use epoxy over an oil based stain because generally the oil based stain will seal off the wood not allowing the epoxy to penetrate into the wood, leaving only the stain layer for the epoxy to try to adhere to which wouldnt work out well.

the ideal solution is to find a water based stain, whcih after searching for a few days at every type of hardware store near me i couldnt find.

the next best option would be to find a gel stain. at some point in my research i found an experiment in which someone aplied various types of stains to wood and tested the strength of adhesion, in this some oil stains did ok some failed but all water and gel based stains passed. when at a paint specialty store i was talking to someone about my probelm and he explaned that gel stains do not seal off the wood and they are often used with fiberglass applications. (also since it does not seal off the wood this allows you to continually add layer after layer of the stain until the desired shade is obtained)

so since then ive used a Bartley Gel Stain which was at the paint specialty store as well as a local Ace hardware and it seems to be working great with no percevable problems.

o and one last thing what ever you use make sure you give it about a day to dry to be safe (as the time allowed to dry before epoxy application in the experiment i mentioned earlier effected the performeance of one of the oil based stains)

hope this helps good luck

**Kolaya** · 08-01-2008 10:01 PM

thanks so much for the help, exactly what i was looking for!!!

**LittleGreenRock** · 08-03-2008 06:07 AM

HI fellas

I've had great results with using food coloring. I have glassed over the food coloring as well as applied clear coat and have had no problems doing either.

Trial and error is the greatest teacher in the world.

Cheers

Buter

**legendary** · 08-03-2008 10:38 AM

Have you considered a water or alcohol based stain ?8)

**Kolaya** · 08-20-2008 05:42 AM

Originally Posted by legendary

Have you considered a water or alcohol based stain ?8)

Not yet..but thats good to know. thanks for all your knowledge and input

**Loki440** · 08-20-2008 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Kolaya

Not yet..but thats good to know. thanks for all your knowledge and input

hint hint * should take his suggestion *hint hint

example, both the stains on the boards were done under the fiberglass, and i was using a water based stain for them

**FlexyRex123** · 08-20-2008 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by Loki440

hint hint * should take his suggestion *hint hint

example, both the stains on the boards were done under the fiberglass, and i was using a water based stain for them

GOOD GOD DAMN! That stain is SO sexy Loki!!

**Kolaya** · 08-20-2008 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Loki440

hint hint * should take his suggestion *hint hint

example, both the stains on the boards were done under the fiberglass, and i was using a water based stain for them

those are real nice looking boards, good job. I had heard that waterbased stains had issues with bleeding so i was going to try the gel stains first. I didnt mean to affend anyone...lets just take it easy

**Loki440** · 08-20-2008 12:54 PM

gels bleed as well, you just have to be careful and go light never soak an area, also you can turn any waterbase stain into a gel, called gelatin

**Kolaya** · 08-21-2008 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Loki440

gels bleed as well, you just have to be careful and go light never soak an area, also you can turn any waterbase stain into a gel, called gelatin

I gotcha, i gotcha. Thanks for the help man.

**SK1ER** · 08-23-2008 02:22 PM

I didn't know that you fiberglassed your boards Loki. Do you do that upon request or to all of them?

**Loki440** · 08-23-2008 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by SK1ER

I didn't know that you fiberglassed your boards Loki. Do you do that upon request or to all of them?

request, or depends on the board

**.secrets** · 08-29-2008 11:04 AM

i used some water based polycrylic, will epoxy adhere to that? We weren't planning on glassing the board but now it just seems too flexy for comfort...so now the glassing is an after thought.