Timberwolf Xtreem Casterboard

[sk8norcal]

YouTube - Best Casterboard Tricks Kickflip Ollie...

http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/

[Gomer]

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NqyeIs2cZo"] XtreeM

Wow! Great product. I wondered how someone was going to solve the single direction limitation of Rip Sticks. I looks like it can go faster than a Rip Stick too.

The skatepark speed limitations of these in-line wheeled boards are a problem that I don't think this board fully solves. The wheels are 82a. That is pretty soft and slow for a skatepark. In-line wheels have a tendancy to side at slow speeds on transitions.

I'd like to see how it handles downhill speeds.

I wonder what skateboards can do that this board can't? If anyone wants to say, "it can't look cool" don't bother. Coolness is reative to fashion and fashion changes with time.

It was smart of the manufacturer to make the deck look as much liuke a standard skateboard as possible. I don't care much for "Klingon battle axe" style grinding arms. This deck should just be split in the middle so it looks even more like a standard skateboard and less like a Rip Stick.

The biggest problem with this board is the name. Nothing should be called "extreme" ever again in the history of advertising. They might as well have called it the Radical Awesome Skateboard.

[sk8norcal]

these also go backward...

How to SWITCH

ripstik longboard

[silverwolf]

Wow! Great product. I wondered how someone was going to solve the single direction limitation of Rip Sticks. I looks like it can go faster than a Rip Stick too.

The skatepark speed limitations of these in-line wheeled boards are a problem that I don't think this board fully solves. The wheels are 82a. That is pretty soft and slow for a skatepark. In-line wheels have a tendancy to side at slow speeds on transitions.

I'd like to see how it handles downhill speeds.

I wonder what skateboards can do that this board can't? If anyone wants to say, "it can't look cool" don't bother. Coolness is reative to fashion and fashion changes with time.

It was smart of the manufacturer to make the deck look as much liuke a standard skateboard as possible. I don't care much for "Klingon battle axe" style grinding arms. This deck should just be split in the middle so it looks even more like a standard skateboard and less like a Rip Stick.

The biggest problem with this board is the name. Nothing should be called "extreme" ever again in the history of advertising. They might as well have called it the Radical Awesome Skateboard.

Thanks for noticing the TimberWolf XtreeM. My son and I invented, developed and manufacture this board. I should be considered bias since our blood, sweat, tears and every dime we have is tied up in this thing. But still I wanted to respond to a couple of things.

First the wheels are 88a not 82a (a big difference).

I also wanted to explain the slide wings (Klingon Battle Axe handles). At first we did not have them. We could not just do a split close together because it created a pinch point that woulod not pass ASTM standards. When we seperated the boards to a point where it would pass it created a gap that would get caught up when trying to do lip slides. Also it made board grabs a hit or miss proposition. We reverse engineered the handles to something that would pass ASTM standards, not catch when doing a lip slide, be a good place to grab. then we tried to make it look as cool as possible.

The name was also reverse engineered. Wolf was a given because I have owned several (or should I say Ive known several that hung out with me) and I have an afinity for them. Timber came from the fact that it is made with Maple rather than plastic.

So as we were messing about with a logo that was a wolf that was also a tree, we accidently noticed that we could make a kind of Hyroglific that spelled out the word XtreeM by making one of the wolf's jowls look like an X and the other jowl like an M. So the Logo came before the name. I hope you think the logo is cool now that you know the story behind it.

I don't think we could have made a wolf face with the words "Radical Awesome Skateboard" but the truth is we never tried .lol

We got some pretty good speed on it when we were at SMP on the full pipe and Huge Bowl and we have carved down some pretty good mountains but nobody that i know of has ever bombed a steep hill with it to test its limits. If you ever try it let me know.

Thanks again for the post and the thread.
Grab it and Growl,
TJ

[silverwolf]

Wow! Great product. I wondered how someone was going to solve the single direction limitation of Rip Sticks. I looks like it can go faster than a Rip Stick too.

The skatepark speed limitations of these in-line wheeled boards are a problem that I don't think this board fully solves. The wheels are 82a. That is pretty soft and slow for a skatepark. In-line wheels have a tendancy to side at slow speeds on transitions.

I'd like to see how it handles downhill speeds.

I wonder what skateboards can do that this board can't? If anyone wants to say, "it can't look cool" don't bother. Coolness is reative to fashion and fashion changes with time.

It was smart of the manufacturer to make the deck look as much liuke a standard skateboard as possible. I don't care much for "Klingon battle axe" style grinding arms. This deck should just be split in the middle so it looks even more like a standard skateboard and less like a Rip Stick.

The biggest problem with this board is the name. Nothing should be called "extreme" ever again in the history of advertising. They might as well have called it the Radical Awesome Skateboard.

Thanks for noticing the TimberWolf XtreeM. My son and I invented, developed and manufacture this board. I should be considered bias since our blood, sweat, tears and every dime we have is tied up in this thing. But still I wanted to respond to a couple of things.

First the wheels are 88a not 82a (a big difference).

I also wanted to explain the slide wings (Klingon Battle Axe handles). At first we did not have them. We could not just do a split close together because it created a pinch point that woulod not pass ASTM standards. When we seperated the boards to a point where it would pass it created a gap that would get caught up when trying to do lip slides. Also it made board grabs a hit or miss proposition. We reverse engineered the handles to something that would pass ASTM standards, not catch when doing a lip slide, be a good place to grab. then we tried to make it look as cool as possible.

The name was also reverse engineered. Wolf was a given because I have owned several (or should I say Ive known several that hung out with me) and I have an afinity for them. Timber came from the fact that it is made with Maple rather than plastic.

So as we were messing about with a logo that was a wolf that was also a tree to represent a timber wolf, we accidently noticed that we could make a kind of Hyroglific that spelled out the word XtreeM by making one of the wolf's jowls look like an X and the other jowl like an M. So the Logo came before the name. I hope you think the logo is cool now that you know the story behind it.

I don't think we could have made a wolf face with the words "Radical Awesome Skateboard" but the truth is we never tried .lol

We got some pretty good speed on it when we were at SMP on the full pipe and Huge Bowl and we have carved down some pretty good mountains but nobody that i know of has ever bombed a steep hill with it to test its limits. If you ever try it let me know.

Thanks again for the post and the thread and the kudos.
Grab it and Growl,
TJ
TimberWolfXtreem best caster Board
TJ

[Gomer]

Thanks for noticing the TimberWolf XtreeM. My son and I invented, developed and manufacture this board.

I would be biased too. I respect what you done to bring this board to market so don't take anything I say here negatively even if it is not so positive. I think we might have talked on the phone just as you were starting this project.

88a is a bit harder than 82 and contributes considerably too the speed I'm sure. Seems about right for speed and traction for the narrow wheel.

I understand the side wings and understand the regulatory requirements you have to consider that the Aussie Roller Surfer doesn't have to worry about (damn US trial lawyers). Or maybe the Roller Surfer deck split clears the pinch point. I could see how it could get hung up.

I like your torsion bar design better. I always that the Rip Stik type was beafier and more complicated than needed. Good use of the material on the TW torsion bar.

I think the TW motif is fine and the extreme attitude is too, for kids. I'm not a young guy so I'm not your target market. Don't mind me.

The Timber Wolf (TW) caster seems preferable to the Roller Surfer (RS) caster in design and adjustability.

I don't think the RS is adjustable at all.
Casters Switch

They both work on the same concept of a pivot point that rocks fore and aft to orient the pitch of the caster. I like the unified design of the RS caster a little better. Perhaps in future designs of the TW you could unify the caster and lifter so that the caster has fewer bits and pieces showing.

http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/Whee...ket%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/Rocker%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/rock...ets%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/top%20washer%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/Cast...lts%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/Pivot%20Bolts.gif

It looks like the TW caster has a lower profile than the RS. I think it is good to keep the center of gravity low as possible on caster boards. They all seem to look too tall.

The RS has image problems that poke me in the eye in a couple of ways. First, "Roller" Surfer? They might as well call it "Sissy Dweeb Trolly".

Second, in their web site copy on the "technology" page, they say their trucks have a "smart array" of bearings. It is dumb to say anything you have or do or name anything as "smart" something. It is an arrogant cliche that needs to die along with anything claiming to be "green/sustainable" or "(anything) friendly".

I don't want to know enough to try itI but I would be curious to see how it could handle speed downhill. Inline wheels are stable at speed. I wonder where wobble might occur.

It looks like fun in a skatepark. Have you ever considered skyhooks?

Keeps us informed about your progress. Are you in the major stores yet?

[silverwolf]

I would be biased too. I respect what you done to bring this board to market so don't take anything I say here negatively even if it is not so positive. I think we might have talked on the phone just as you were starting this project.

88a is a bit harder than 82 and contributes considerably too the speed I'm sure. Seems about right for speed and traction for the narrow wheel.

I understand the side wings and understand the regulatory requirements you have to consider that the Aussie Roller Surfer doesn't have to worry about (damn US trial lawyers). Or maybe the Roller Surfer deck split clears the pinch point. I could see how it could get hung up.

I like your torsion bar design better. I always that the Rip Stik type was beafier and more complicated than needed. Good use of the material on the TW torsion bar.

I think the TW motif is fine and the extreme attitude is too, for kids. I'm not a young guy so I'm not your target market. Don't mind me.

The Timber Wolf (TW) caster seems preferable to the Roller Surfer (RS) caster in design and adjustability.

I don't think the RS is adjustable at all.
Casters Switch

They both work on the same concept of a pivot point that rocks fore and aft to orient the pitch of the caster. I like the unified design of the RS caster a little better. Perhaps in future designs of the TW you could unify the caster and lifter so that the caster has fewer bits and pieces showing.

http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/Whee...ket%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/Rocker%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/rock...ets%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/top%20washer%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/Cast...lts%20copy.gif
http://www.timberwolfxtreem.com/Pivot%20Bolts.gif

It looks like the TW caster has a lower profile than the RS. I think it is good to keep the center of gravity low as possible on caster boards. They all seem to look too tall.

The RS has image problems that poke me in the eye in a couple of ways. First, "Roller" Surfer? They might as well call it "Sissy Dweeb Trolly".

Second, in their web site copy on the "technology" page, they say their trucks have a "smart array" of bearings. It is dumb to say anything you have or do or name anything as "smart" something. It is an arrogant cliche that needs to die along with anything claiming to be "green/sustainable" or "(anything) friendly".

I don't want to know enough to try itI but I would be curious to see how it could handle speed downhill. Inline wheels are stable at speed. I wonder where wobble might occur.

It looks like fun in a skatepark. Have you ever considered skyhooks?

Keeps us informed about your progress. Are you in the major stores yet?

There are at least two significant differences between the the Roller Surfer and the TimberWolf.

One is that the pivot point on the Roller Surfer is further from the riding surface. I experimented with this early on and decided it was too clumsy. When the switch occurs this distance from the pivot point causes a long throw of the caster & wheel as it changes direction. By having the rocker bracket like the TimberWolf you can move the pivot point away from the board and closer to the riding surface. This makes for a short smooth throw during a switch rather than a long clunky one.

You only need to ride them a short time to see the major difference.

The other is that I had the patent applications worldwide before they began.

I share your opinion of trial lawyers but not so much that I would not use a few. Just a hypocrite I suppose.

Hopefully I will not need to keep you informed of the TimberWolf's progress for long because everyone you know will own three of them.lol

Until then I thank you again, and will keep you apprised.

Grab it and Growl,
TJ
TimberWolfXtreem best caster Board

[Wells]

I wonder what skateboards can do that this board can't? If anyone wants to say, "it can't look cool" don't bother. Coolness is reative to fashion and fashion changes with time.

Grip sideways on transitions. Good luck getting actual speed in roundwall.

See how this dude pumps?

YouTube - Tony Trujillo S.O.T.Y

You can't do that on casters.

[Gomer]

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You can't do that on casters.

Sure you can. You can pump on anything. It doesn't have anything to do with the board. All you need to do is bend your knees. Casters don't prevent knee bending.

[Gomer]

There are at least two significant differences between the the Roller Surfer and the TimberWolf.

I agree about the pivot point. Your caster has to be smoother on the transition from front to back.

It is not hypicritcal to use trial lawyers. You are forced by the government. Soon we will all be working for the government anyway. Fight the power when you can in the voting booth.

I look forward to seeing kids at the skatepark on your board.

[Wells]

Sure you can. You can pump on anything. It doesn't have anything to do with the board. All you need to do is bend your knees. Casters don't prevent knee bending.

You do not know what you are talking about. There's a reason ramp skaters run loose trucks and grippy wheels instead of casters: you need lateral grip to pump effectively on transition (or anywhere else. see: slalom).

What can you do on this that you can't do on a skateboard?

[Gomer]

You do not know what you are talking about.

Do so too.

[sk8norcal]

Hopefully I will not need to keep you informed of the TimberWolf's progress for long because everyone you know will own three of them.lol

interesting to see how this goes...
its crazy to see how popular ripstik have gotten...
but I wonder if the market is tapped out...
the fuzion guy did start after the razor scooter craze,
seems like he is doing good..

[silverwolf]

You do not know what you are talking about. There's a reason ramp skaters run loose trucks and grippy wheels instead of casters: you need lateral grip to pump effectively on transition (or anywhere else. see: slalom).

What can you do on this that you can't do on a skateboard?

You can lateral pump on a transition with a caster but you first need to have enough speed so that the inertia pushing you into the wall overcomes the force of gravity. From that point on you can pump and accelerate on a laterally on a transition.

What you can do on a skateboard you can't do on a caster. 50/50 comes to mind

What can you do on a caster you cant do on a skateboard. accelerate uphill and drift.

Both lists go on But it is not an either or situation. I surf and I ski. I drive a car and a motorcycle and a truck. You can skydive and hang glide, ice skate and roller skate, inline or quad, sailboat or speed boat. You can motocross or flat track and its all driven by the same desire to express the adventurous spirit and stretch the envelope of our abilities.

Liking one should not threaten the other. Let's get our y chromozones under control and not make everything a battle. If you enjoy one, do it. If you try the other and like it, do it as well. If you want to concentrate on one or the other then do so and allow others that same freedom without undue condemnation. Moreover be encouraging.

The fact is some people like caster boards. I hope what i have done is given them a vehicle which enhances the potential of their ability, enjoyment and art-sport expression.
As to what a Caster board can do, i don't think that question can be answered yet. I don't think the boys of Dogtown saw what Rodney Mullen can do with a skateboard on the horizon. I look forward to seeing the evolution of the new sport of Caster Boarding just I enjoyed seeing the evolution of skateboarding thus far.

The art-sport of skateboarding has progressed by people willing to go outside the box and do what didn't seem possible. Skateboards and casterboards are different vehicles but the same spirit to be outside the box and express vigor through art-sport drives them both.

The comradery of us that have that spirit should not be divided by what wheeled aparatus we choose to express it.

Peace
TJ

[Gomer]

You can lateral pump on a transition with a caster but you first need to have enough speed so that the inertia pushing you into the wall overcomes the force of gravity. From that point on you can pump and accelerate on a laterally on a transition.

True. Once you are up the wall and traveling horizontaly it is just like being on flat land if you have enough speed to keep pressed against the wall.

You can motocross or flat track and its all driven by the same desire to express the adventurous spirit and stretch the envelope of our abilities.

Liking one should not threaten the other.

I agree 100% that is the way it should be but that is not the way it is in most cases within the sport of skateboarding. It is not really a subject that is allowed to be discussed in this forum so I will just warn you that everything you wish for will not happen.

Ripstiks have made an inroads into the market and the younger people and non-skateboarders who ride them are not aware of the social stigma attached to any piece of wheel boards other than skateboards.

I think there is a big market for your boards to take over the market that exists for Ripstiks I don't see the Timbewolf taking over much of the skateboard market, if any.

The skateboard makers should be happy with the success of the caster boards. I think most people who buy caster boards would normaly never buy a skateboard. The attraction of casterboards is that they are stable and therefore less dangerous. You don't have to spend a majority of the time learing how to fall when you start riding one .

I know a tweenage girl who has been riding a caster board for the past year and this year got a skateboard. I don't think she would have ever gotten a skateboard if she hadn't developed the riding skills she developed on a casterboard.

Best of luck to you Silverwolf. I hope you take over the Ripstik market here and overseas.

Your biggest problem is going to be the communist Chineese violating your patent.

Have you seen your board on Alibaba yet?

http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?...oduct_en&ssk=y

[Wells]

The attraction of casterboards is that they are stable and therefore less dangerous.

[silverwolf]

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Have you seen your board on Alibaba yet?
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No I havn't seen it and could not find it in the link you provided. You have been most kind & helpful. Did you see it on there? If so could you help me find it? Any help would be appreciated.
Silverwolf

[Gomer]

[quote=silverwolf;1297567130]

Did you see it on there?

No sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I had.

I do think that, due to the Red Chinese disregard for patent laws of the free world, your board will most likely be knocked off in great quantities by the Red Chinese. I suspect they'll pick up on your multidirectional caster and adapt it to their current casterboard.

The chances for patent infringements are greater if the board is made in Red China or when it becomes successful enough that they feel they can profit from it.

I'd like to hear the story of how you found manufacturing and distribution. I'll drop you an email.

[Wells]

[quote=Gomer;1297567713]

No sorry, I didn't mean to imply that I had.

I do think that, due to the Red Chinese disregard for patent laws of the free world, your board will most likely be knocked off in great quantities by the Red Chinese. I suspect they'll pick up on your multidirectional caster and adapt it to their current casterboard.

The chances for patent infringements are greater if the board is made in Red China or when it becomes successful enough that they feel they can profit from it.

I'd like to hear the story of how you found manufacturing and distribution. I'll drop you an email.

[sk8norcal]

check this four wheeler on alibaba..