Not Carveboard carveboards

[Gomer]

Maybe MBS feels like a little payback for the Carveboard's rip-off of the basic MBS channel truck design. I think they could have challenged the carveboard channel trucks (no significant design improvement). At the time I'm sure, they just didn't give a damn about the street carving market. With the right re-tooling, MBS has the superior channel trucks -- superior truck technology. I have communicated with Patrick on several occasions regarding what would make a great street-carver truck. They are very close now.

My bitch here isn't that Carveboard is a poor product. They saw the surf-carver market and went for it. However, I see nothing inferior about the MBS new product relative to the carveboard. Actually the 18" axle could offer better performance. Agreed, the roadies will not make great carver tires, they need 8-3.00-4 smooth tires. The roadies might work better on wet roads.

I saw how MBS equipment could easily be tweaked to be top-notch surf carvers and made a few of my own. Mine are outstanding streetcarvers but could be better still -- suspect I will have to have decks custom made though.

Aside from being a royal dick, DaddyYo has been stalking me from/at other forums since last fall. Now he has called me out on riding abilities. I have offered him the opportunity to come up and ride my runs and blow me away with his superior skills on surf-style "streetcarvers". Anytime...



AMEN! Ride what you like.

Edit:
I think the MBS new roadies might make a good skatepark tire for MBs.

I hate to take up the space quoting the entire post but if BS is going to go back and delete the embarassing statements he makes, that he can't later defend, I guess I have to take up the room.

Carveboard did not "rip off" the channel truck from MBS. This is such an old topic that has been discussed so many times over the years. I'll let BS educate himself or continue to wallow in his ignorance.

Maybe he can get his patent attorney to look up MBS's patent references to see who MBS "ripped off" to design their truck. Or maybe his patent attorney can explain to him the difference between the legal protections of a design patent vs. a unique patent.

I am not this DaddyYo guy that BS seems so scared of but I can see why DaddyYo probably doesn't like him. I've read BS's posts on the DBX site and I don't see anyone named DaddyYo responding to his posts. Maybe he is someone BS is just making up?

I really don't think I'll take BS up on his invitation to go meet him. That is way creepy on many different levels. Why anyone would want to waste time carving back and forth down hills is beyond me. Like I said, I did that kind of riding in 1996 and got bored with it pretty quick.

I see that BS isn't riding with a brake anymore. How does he stop real fast when he needs to -- foot drag, power slide? I guess if you are just carving back and forth you don't need to stop real fast and if you ride the same spot over and over again you don't know how to scrub speed to your run out.

I would have to see the Radie tires to see if they would be any better than the old Airliners in a skatepark. The tread of the tire doesn't make that big a difference in a skatepark although the less tread the better. The biggest advantage in rubber tires is having the abillity to run high air pressures. Of course pnuematic tires in a skate park are the wrong application to the riding type anyway.

I hope no one thinks I care about what anybody rides - I don't. If you want to ride a board and pretend you are surfing on water - do it. However, if you try to tell me you created a sport that is equal to surfing and skateboarding - I'm going to ask you to prove that.

[BluegrassSurfer]

Go... DaddyoYo... Go!

LMAO

All too easy ...

NOTHING in the "skate" world comes close to the ride

[oldnbroken]

Flexboardz is a really good landkiteboarding board but it is really heavy.
This is not an issue because jumping while kitelandboarding is not gonna happen anymore for me.
MBS is not great, hate the stupid Ground Industries truck, any skateboard type truck on a mountain board is NFG, Flexifoil's landboard blows, on an on and on, they are mostly all the same stuff.
I think the Revo looks good but have not tried them, NoSno work well too, a few non production items that I've been sent to test worked but they went back where they came from after I was done testing, a number of years ago, nothing new but the Flexboardz in a few years for me..
I like Dirtsurfer best and Flexboardz almost as well but I just wanna bomb down the hardpack wet beach at the shoreline so its a speed thing for me.
It's all kiteboarding water for me these days anyway, so I'm kind of out of the current loop.
Daddy, you are referencing the skatepark, you gotta be the same guy from Nashville we all know and sometimes love to hate on!
You and Bill beating on each other is fun to watch but I'm kind of thinking the old weirdo's like us should chill and try to get along because we have a lot of similarities as well as our few differences.
We like to ride some non production boards that we have helped develop and we have fun riding, testing, developing and talking about some of this stuff, right?
I do not know who has the patent on the channel truck design but it's clear that MBS ran away with the mountainboard market early on and has been at the front of the pack for a long time. I think the Carveboard product was done so right and works so well that they should be proud of what they came up with.
I do think there is lots of room for improvement in mountainboard design but it is all about jumping just like snowboarding now so the junky light crap seems to work for the average mountainboarder.
Carveboard (Brad and Dad) designed a very specific item that Brad wanted to ride in the streets of San Diego and they made a cohesive bunch of components that work very well together and achieve exactly what he was trying to accomplish. His target audience loves what he and Dad developed and ride the crap out of them. The company itself has been very unresponsive to their customers after the fact and now I think nobody really wants to run the company. I think Brad is too busy riding big waves tow in style and I don't know what Dad is up to. Carvboard does make it easy for MBS to go after their little niche because MBS continues to hustle and listen to their customer base and Carveboard is asleep at the wheel. This latest MBS effort may just be a favor to old Bill here because I don't think most of their customer base could care less. I'm stoked on the new truck for sure, quality looks great and I bet they ride nice, nice, nice.
Gomer, what type of riding do you like to do these days?..I take it that MBS street carving is out?
What type of gear is doing it for you, at this point? What is an Airliner tire? Tell me more.

[ATG-ATB]

Is seems like land kiteboards use ATS trucks that can be tighter and less prone to wobbles. If I kiteboarded I think I would use the Revo trucks.

Less prone to wobble than what? Channels? I think you'll find the opposite is true.

Do you kiteboard with a longboard? I've never found a paved area open enough to fly a kite, sounds like fun though!

[Gomer]

Less prone to wobble than what? Channels? I think you'll find the opposite is true.

I suppose it depends on the how tight the steering resistance is on either. Loose truck wobble. I'm basing my assumption on the theroy that wobble osillations occur more frequently in undampened connections like the horizontal kingpin of a channel truck.

[BluegrassSurfer]

What is an Airliner tire? Tell me more.

An "airliner" tire is the tire that came standard on earlier MBS boards like the Razor. It has small parallel ridges around the circumference. If I remember maybe I'll take apicture of the Razor tires I have replaced with Cheng Shins. They look like tires used on large model airplanes (radio control) and small ultralights.

BTW the pattern on the MBS roadies looks similar to the tread pattern on Maxxis Hookworms (BMX street tires).

[oldnbroken]

An "airliner" tire is the tire that came standard on earlier MBS boards like the Razor. It has small parallel ridges around the circumference. If I remember maybe I'll take apicture of the Razor tires I have replaced with Cheng Shins. They look like tires used on large model airplanes (radio control) and small ultralights.

BTW the pattern on the MBS roadies looks similar to the tread pattern on Maxxis Hookworms (BMX street tires).

OK, I know what those are now....they suck
The new ones do look just like the Maxxis, good for speed and low rolling resistance.
I like the fat 8X3 Cheng Shin slicks with low air pressure for good (old guy) grippy slowness.

Hey Daddy, I've got a CarveStik for sale or trade if your up for it! PM me.

[BluegrassSurfer]

I like the fat 8X3 Cheng Shin slicks with low air pressure for good (old guy) grippy slowness.

Remind me later, I spent the 6 mos of winter riding refining tire pressures for front and rear Cheng Shins, specifically for streetcarving.

Signing off...

[oldnbroken]

I suppose it depends on the how tight the steering resistance is on either. Loose truck wobble. I'm basing my assumption on the theroy that wobble osillations occur more frequently in undampened connections like the horizontal kingpin of a channel truck.

I can only base my conclusions on riding and not theory and most of them wobble unless you dampen the crap out of them so they turn crappy.
As you know from your CarveStik ya gotta put in those eggshocks to fight the wobs with those channel trucks at speed.
That's why you can go fast and kite with a NoSno, cause they are stiff as hell to turn.
Kite landboarding kind of sucks after you've been on the water, just does not really compare...

[Gomer]

MBS is not great, hate the stupid Ground Industries truck, any skateboard type truck on a mountain board is NFG, Flexifoil's landboard blows, on an on and on, they are mostly all the same stuff.

The Ground Industries truck was stupid from the get go. They also claimed less wobble because their king pin is islolated in the elastomer cube .

Maybe so, but they look clunky and didn't turn as well as a channel truck. I guess that is why they now offer a spring/elastomer channel truck. There is nothing in ureathane, that I can think of, that gives the return-to-center like springs. Although the British guys are experimenting with taking out the springs and just using dampers.

Everything that Revo guy does is genius. You should check out his NoSno type truck he is developing.

I can see why you like the Dirtsurfer for low tide sand. I'll bet you can get some big speed with a traction kite. What do you think about the skim board with bindings on the shore break idea? I guess you would have to have some small fins or channels to keep it going straight.

I'm in Ohio, in farm country. I hope to have a kite in the winter to start land kite boarding and snowboard kite boarding across the fields. I ride mountainboards in a wildlife preserve park here and in a small ski resort in the summer.

I've never been to Nashville. I do not know this DaddyYo that has BS's panties in such a wad. I suspect BS has a lot of virtual and actual enemies. He seems very pompus and a bit paranoid and delusional in several ways. I have nothing in common with him and really don't like him.

That's about all I'll say about myself. There are too many criminally insane people on the net to safely reveal anything else.

Nobody has a patent on the channel truck. It would be like trying to patent the connection keeping the two sides of a pair of sissors together. It is such a fundemental component that, even though it is used in many tools, can not be either unique nor original by itself.

MBS has a patent on an all-terrain board. It incudes the truck, frame, deck, bindings and brake. They do not have a patent (that I can find) on their current channel truck. GI has a patent on their elastomer truck but I haven't seen a patent on their channel truck.

GI knew they couldn't get a unique patent on their dirtboard because it was too close to the MBS. So they got a patent on their truck and just built and sold the completes without a patent. They could have gotten a design patent on the complete board but there was no need.

MBS invented the sport of mountainboarding in the US. NoSno invented it in the UK.

Carveboard is very spefic to the surfy type carving style. I'm suprised the Carveboard company seems to be slipping. I've known Bud Gerlach for many years but haven't talked to him in a while. He's a good guy. I'll have to give him a call.

I agree MBS does well in responding to their market. They really need to stop trying for new markets though. They never do it well and there is still plenty of depth in the ATB market they haven't figured out how to mine yet. Their skateboards seem like an after thought or just opportunistic. I just can't see who would think, "I need a longboard. Why don't I buy one from a mountainboard company."

I doubt MBS developed thier Carveboard line because of anything BS is doing. If they did, that is just sad.

Airliner tires were stock on the Core and Comp 19s from around 2000. I'll see if I can find a picture on the Wayback machine.

[Gomer]

I can only base my conclusions on riding and not theory and most of them wobble unless you dampen the crap out of them so they turn crappy.

I base my conclusions on years of varying the egg shocks densities and spring settings on channel trucks. I have a long, fast downhill run at my resort that I hit for speed without sharp carving. I use red eggs with the springs cranked to their lowest setting. The board won't turn at all until I get up to speed but it hasn't wobbled even at my top speed.

I'm going to get a kiteboard and kite next year. I'm just starting to look into what the scene is on Erie. It's an expensive sport to start and the lake is about an hour away from me so we'll see.

I don't have a Carveboard or a Carvestik and have no need for either. Thanks for the offer though.

[oldnbroken]

I base my conclusions on years of varying the egg shocks densities and spring settings on channel trucks. I have a long, fast downhill run at my resort that I hit for speed without sharp carving. I use red eggs with the springs cranked to their lowest setting. The board won't turn at all until I get up to speed but it hasn't wobbled even at my top speed.

I'm going to get a kiteboard and kite next year. I'm just starting to look into what the scene is on Erie. It's an expensive sport to start and the lake is about an hour away from me so we'll see.

I don't have a Carveboard or a Carvestik and have no need for either. Thanks for the offer though.

What is your preferred mountainboard set up these days?
Where in Ohio?.....I'm from Rochester New York....if you're close to Erie I'm likely to know the town where you're at.
Lake Erie might be good, I know people who are doing it on Lake Ontario successfully.
How old are you?........The sport seems to be geared towards the young but I know a bunch of old dudes who kite.
You don't ride street carvers at all or anymore? You know the Gerlachs? Cool... Did you used to have a Carveboard?

[Gomer]

What is your preferred mountainboard set up these days?
Where in Ohio?.....I'm from Rochester New York....if you're close to Erie I'm likely to know the town where you're at.
Lake Erie might be good, I know people who are doing it on Lake Ontario successfully.
How old are you?........The sport seems to be geared towards the young but I know a bunch of old dudes who kite.
You don't ride street carvers at all or anymore? You know the Gerlachs? Cool... Did you used to have a Carveboard?

I'm about an hour south of the lake and Cleveland. I ride a Comp95. As I said, I rode a MBS 132 frame board on the street in 1996/97. It was fun to learn on but boring after a while. I've never had a Carveboard.

[BluegrassSurfer]

I see that BS isn't riding with a brake anymore.

So, you have been to my photo blog:
Bluegrass Surf

[BluegrassSurfer]

DaddyYo -- Is there anything you don't distort disproportionately? Coincidence? I think not. LMAO

MBS Carveboards - Carveboard talk - All - Carveboard - Message Board - Yuku

Fortunately for me, MBS has decided to make some new equipment that improves carving capabilities and incorporated a "few" of my suggestions.

Jason posted a thread asking what we (riders) would like to see in new equipment at DirtBoard Riders - Message Board - Yuku . Several active members responded. I suggested a few features I would like to see in a matrix truck (for streetcarving), two are present in the new equipment.

http://www.dirtboardriders.yuku.com/...WISH-LIST.html

I could be wrong, but I believe this is referred to as a focus group.

Don't think they'll make my preferred deck though...damn!

[oldnbroken]

Surprised he called himself DaddyYo over there.
Seems to be a name that has run it's course.
Gotta keep changing names when they run you out of town
Why in the world is anybody following anybody from forum to forum to talk this kind of stuffola?
I assume you remember so many people here giving him sh1t for his particular ride of choice among other things.
He stuck by his idea to develop and produce his DaddyStik design for a long while until he and his deck guy had a big falling out.
It looks like he is out to crucify you for having a favorite ride and for throwing ideas out there, just as he did.
I wanna know why so many people on forums spend time attacking instead of contributing.
Been really trying to act and think positively in life the last several years and be with others who see the light not the dark.........it's working!!!

[BluegrassSurfer]

Ole Mr. Poindexter just doesn't seem to know when to quit. Apparently Mr. P feels threatened by me.

Rather than using his work/daytime IP address (his standard MO), he must be using his after hours IP address to post here at SF.

BTW DaddyYo, IP addresses are embedded in e-mail messages.

I've been trying really hard not to call Mr. P a dumbass ... Ooops!

[BluegrassSurfer]

Been really trying to act and think positively in life the last several years and be with others who see the light not the dark.........it's working!!!

I've noticed that. You've been much mellower on this thread than I expected...Serious. 8)

I remember you going after afer a few posters a year or 2 ago (even DaddyYo on the MBS eggs in Carvestick thread (which got him banned at SF)."

[Gomer]

I suggested a few features I would like to see in a matrix truck (for streetcarving), two are present in the new equipment.

Yeah, you and about five other people.

I guess I can't post to this thread anymore since you guys seem to have directed your harassment of this poor DaddyYo guy on me.

What a couple of aholes!

[BluegrassSurfer]

Boggles the mind ...

NEW PRODUCTS - WISH LIST - The Rocks and The Dirt - All - DirtBoard Riders - Message Board - Yuku

BluegrassSurfer wrote:
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Would love to see MBS carry:

*8" X 3" - 4 smooth tires and appropriate tubes,
*9.5" to10" wide deck 38" long with 30 degree tip angles and flex around 2.5 (flex same as Gen II Razors and Blades)
*Tri-spoke hub with rim width 2.25"
*17"-18" matrix lite trucks with tension adjustment for the center top-hat settings rather than outer top-hat settings (or use re-tooled, old-style dual shock trucks).