Not Carveboard carveboards

[oldnbroken]

Would love to have a little wider hub for the tire spreading effect you talk about on the Carveboard hubs.

Would still like to try a 17" axle just to see if their is a noticeable difference. I'm thinking a wider hub with a 17" axle might be the magic combo. Still want 10" wide (deck) at the feet for good lean leverage.

BTW buying Cheng Shins as riding mower tires is whole lot cheaper than $20 a tire from Carveboard (+ shipping).

Buy a couple sets of the 18" and cut and re-thread the axles on one set down to 17"

Very stoked you hooked me up with cheap sources on those tires.

[Gomer]

Seems the solution to your proplems are relatively simple. Get some of the Matrix top trucks with the center position adjustment nuts. If those can't be had then figure out how to insert your own nuts. I looks pretty simple to me. Drill two holes in your deck to align with the inside spring position then carve yourselves silly.

Want a wider deck? Have one made. Order what you want from MBS copy the dimensions and send it back. Any skateboard deck maker (and there are hundreds) could make a carveboard deck with no problem. You could probably get the mold and deck made for under $100.

You want to use Carveboard hubs and slicks on a Matrix axle? Figure out what size of an outside diameter the Carveboard hub uses and find a bearing that fits it and the Matrix axle. You don't need high precision bearings to carve back and forth on a hill.

Or take a simpler route and use Carveboard trucks with longer cap screw axle bolts and spacers to widen the track of the trucks. That would give you the ability to vary your axle width and use the Carveboard hubs and slicks.

Viola. Are there any of those technical solutions you can't do or that require further explaination?

BS' magic mind-reading comprehension skills are even worse that his mechanical ones. I'm critical of MBS' technology and their marketing. I posted this tread to discuss the shortcomings of both aspects of their carveboard products and that's what I'm doing. If some other company had come out with a half assed product (that they would have laughted before the era of our hopelessness occured) I would have posted a thread about them too.

Why would MBS commit any resourses to making a carveboard specific hub? It doesn't even seem like a good business decision to half ass introduce a new product designed to capture a niche market at the start of an economic depression . Especially when the niche market you already control is minimal and shrinking.

Maybe they hope carveboards and longboards will "bail" them out. It is obvious that, instead of commiting to the carveboard market, they just shuffled their stock stuff and added one new tire in order to pick up what they can get.

I suspect they got Never Summer to modify the shapes from some of their standard longboard deck molds for some of the carveboards and make a couple of specific decks for the others. The wider axles are a simple change to the length of the steel rod they have inserted into the hanger. No big cost commitment there.

MBS has always been the "core" manufacturer. Should their customers turn their backs on them now that they sell carveboards and longboards. That's not very "core". What's next - MBS rollerblades?

[Barf]

If there's a specific place you guys have found for the best pricing on those mower tires, a PM wouldn't make me cry. I picked up an old MBS a while back and it's got what I'm assuming are the "airliners" you were talking about earlier... I reckon I'm gonna want to try something else sooner or later. $20 each had me thinking "later", but...

[oldnbroken]

You want to use Carveboard hubs and slicks on a Matrix axle? Figure out what size of an outside diameter the Carveboard hub uses and find a bearing that fits it and the Matrix axle. You don't need high precision bearings to carve back and forth on a hill.

Or take a simpler route and use Carveboard trucks with longer cap screw axle bolts and spacers to widen the track of the trucks. That would give you the ability to vary your axle width and use the Carveboard hubs and slicks.

The Carveboard hub's bearing seat is fairly small. Can't find a bearing with their hub seat OD that has a 12mm ID to fit that nice fat MBS axle. Looked a bunch and could not come up with one. I think the Carveboard truck mod is do-able but you need a thicker cap screw than the standard Carveboard size if you are gonna lengthen it. So you have to be willing to drill out the casting a couple drill sizes but can't go too far or you'll likely weaken the wall thickness too much, gonna be a fine line, I think. I have not been willing to modify my Carveboard in any way because it is such a good machine in stock form. I'm much more willing to mess around with/modify the MBS parts to experiment. The MBS trucks have some adjustability built into their design so when you get done with axle width you can vary more stuff than you can on the Carveboard trucks.
The Cheng Shin 8X3 slick is the same tire as the Carveboard Tiger Paw. I'm not completely convinced those tires are any more grippy on the Carveboard hub than the MBS or Ground Ind hubs.
If you've been successful at either of these mods pics would be awesome/helpful.

[Gomer]

The Carveboard hub's bearing seat is fairly small. Can't find a bearing with their hub seat OD that has a 12mm ID to fit that nice fat MBS axle.

Really? Do you know the outside dia. of the Carveboard bearing? Is the inside dia. 3/8" (10mm)?

It seems like the Carveboard axle and wheel is the easier solution and you said you like the set up anyway. You don't need to increase the bore of the Carveboard truck for a bigger axle to fit MBS tires that don't work as well anyway.

I would reccommend getting a long cap screw at 10mm dia. and boring out the Carveboard truck to extend the axle, That way you gain width and strength without weakening the truck. Home deport has aluminum tube that can be cut down for spacers.

You can use a Dremel tool to carve out a space for the axle nut wherever you want it in the bottom of the truck.

Of course you could go completely custom and make your own truck. Lost foam casting in aluminum is not that hard to do with a back yard forge. Although I think aluminum trucks are over kill for carving. Their is really no advange in saving weight.

You could get any metal fabricator to make a steel truck similar the old MBS frame board truck and modify the design to support wider axles. You'd probably have to increase the width of the hanger. You could redesign the steel truck to the dimensions of the Matrix and then have the advantage of using stock springs, egss and using their adjustable tensioning hardware. You could tread the channel to fit the tension adjustment bolt thread.

I understand the advantage of a wide track but, with a greater deck angle range, is it really that neccessary? If you are carving at high speeds you aren't really angling the deck to the point that it is going to tip. Perhaps it is the tires giving up their grip in a hard carve that you are trying to prevent?

I could see it. In a hard carve, with the deck tipped way over you are pushing closer to a 90 degree angle and unweighting the wheels at the same time. In a hard carve, with the deck able to tilit at less of an angle, the outside tires would lose their grip as the board starts to tip past its tipping angle.

Go to McMasters Carr for all your cap screw needs.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#

[BluegrassSurfer]

they just shuffled their stock stuff and added one new tire in order to pick up what they can get.

I suspect they got Never Summer to modify the shapes from some of their standard longboard deck molds for some of the carveboards and make a couple of specific decks for the others. The wider axles are a simple change to the length of the steel rod they have inserted into the hanger. No big cost commitment there.

Looks like a logical approach to minimize risk and explore a test product/market.

If their carveboard dosen’t sell, I don’t think they will have any problems selling the 18” Wide Matrix trucks. They already sell aluminum Rock Star hubs. I suspect there will even be enough demand for the roadies so riders don’t have to burn up a set of knobbies for in town riding and for street bombing.

Seems like they only stand to lose out on the decks. Doubt they have that much tied up in the decks.

However, I would have offered a cheaper hub option (Tri-spokes) to cut price for those who don't care about having aluminum hubs. Tri-spokes also allow use of 8-3.00-4 smooth tires.

If they succeed, they have a new riding product. If not, they have some new equipment that can be used on any of their boards for individual customizing.

[BluegrassSurfer]

If there's a specific place you guys have found for the best pricing on those mower tires, a PM wouldn't make me cry. I picked up an old MBS a while back and it's got what I'm assuming are the "airliners" you were talking about earlier... I reckon I'm gonna want to try something else sooner or later. $20 each had me thinking "later", but...

Will send suppliers list, check PMs.

[BluegrassSurfer]

[Gomer]

Looks like a logical approach to minimize risk and explore a test product/market.

Actually they maximize risk by doing a half assed launch. If they had done the research they should have a solid business plan that proves they had something that would make money. Asking riders, in an online forum that has very few members, what they wanted in January and then launching the product 6 months later doesn't seem well thought out.

It sounds like a bunch of guys sitting around a bong and saying "Yeah dude, it would be cool if......", Maybe the people who run MBS give the Lees an allowance to play with every so often just to let them come up with something.

Maybe they learned their lesson with the Atom and the people who run MBS aren't going to commit to a pipe dream idea this time.

Even still, I'd be willing to bet that you'll see hundreds of these carveboards on Ebay by this time next year. I don't see how their reps could push these boards to the shops after the Atom disaster. I wonder if the retailers that carry MBS (Dicks and online companies) will be required to try to sell the carveboards?

[oldnbroken]

The awesome new MBS 18" Matrix trucks that I just bought will go on an MBS Comp 16 deck I have sitting in the garage, it has a set of GI green chrome Crossair hubs. Buy some slicks cheap from Bill's sources and I think I've got a rockin new rig.

Measurements Gomer asked about:
The Carveboard bearings are about 27.3 mm (1.07 inches) OD and 14.4mm (.56 inches) ID.
The Crossair/MBS bearings are about 33.1mm (1.30 inches) OD and 16.8mm (.66 inches) ID.

Getting a Carveboard hub to go on an MBS axle would need a bearing with a 27.3mm OD and a 16.8MM ID and then you still have to allow for the difference in hub width which means cutting back the shoulder on the MBS axles to add width and adding more threads.
The Carveboard mod does sound do-able but then you still have a truck that has less adjustability built into it.
I'm gonna slap the parts above together and it should be great.

[Gomer]

The Carveboard bearings are about 27.3 mm (1.07 inches) OD and 14.4mm (.56 inches) ID.
The Crossair/MBS bearings are about 33.1mm (1.30 inches) OD and 16.8mm (.66 inches) ID.

That must means the Carveboard bearings are 27x14mm and the MBS are 33x16mm. I haven't looked for bearings in a while but I'll check it out and see if there is one that fits. But then why do that at all if the Crosshair hubs fit.

Sounds like the Crosshair hubs and the Carveboard slick it the way to go.

I'm not sure why the fine adjustibility is important to roadway carving. If your springs are on the inside setting in order to increase the tip angle and get a hard carve can't you just set up the tension with egg shocks and leave it.

I believe MBS had some problems with springs poping out on the inside settings when people were landing after jumps and tilting the decks all the way over. Maybe that is why they quit making the adjustible settings on the inside.

I never really saw the use for the adjustible top hat on the off-road boards. I've never heard anyone say, "I'm racing boardercross right now but when I get to the bottom of the run I'm going to stay on this same board and adjust the steering to carve and then there is a steep portion of road I'm going to bomb so I'll crank down my springs all the way then and do some hard carving with my knobby tires."

You are generaly doing one kind of riding on a board tuned to that way of riding.

If you are only riding on the inside spring setting then you have almost as much adjustibility with the Carve truck as with the MBS depending on the type of insert you use. I've found that is you crank the springs down to the point that equals the next egg shock hardness then I use the next hardest egg shocks instead. Using the Trampa dampa inserts you can vary the tension as much as you would by adjusting the top hat.

If you just had to have your srings adjusted to some point that couldn't be achieved by the thousands of settings accomplished using stock parts you could shim out the springs in the top hats.

Why would you need to adjust the settings of the springs if you are only riding one type of surface at the same speeds? Surely you are not bombing hills at one section of your run and then carving another?

I would be interested in knowing how you handle speed control bombing hills? Do you foot brake? I couldn't see controlled drifting or power sliding working with sticky tires. I'm sure you scrub speed in a carve but I thought the point was to do fast carving. Once you get going fast and you are in a situation where you can't carve out your speed, what do you do?

With the Carveboard, you never get going too fast so you are always in control of your speed. Plus the truck axle width to deck length ratio is greater and allows the tires to slide. Are you using brakes?

It would be polite for Bill to list his resourse for tires here for anyone reading this thread to see. I wonder why that hasn't occured to him?

I guess MBS wanted to make a board that they explain by explaining in this run on sentence that goes on through several thoughts and has no internal punctuation to let a reader know where emphasis is intented and when its not so it must be read with an even tone even though the text implies some sort of radical extreme stoke that is supposed to be exciting.

"But at the end of the day it mainly comes down to pure precision turning precision and that's what the MBS Matrix does best so if you want the best carving experience possible on pavement look no further than the MBS Matrix Carveboard."

It seems that MBS needs to be run by people who ride. I noticed they mention Joel as a rider and that he competes. Jason and Patrick don't even ride anymore I don't think. I know Jason just works for the company and doesn't control it.

Doesn't that mean that MBS is not a rider controled company and if you buy their boards aren't you are just giving money to the "man" for a board made by slaves in China? Same thing for GI. Does anyone at GI actually ride?

If I find any bearings that fit the Carve hub and MBS axle I'll post the link.. You won't need to send me a PM request so I can keep it a secret and have the power of information to hold over you and others who might want to know where to find bearings.

[BluegrassSurfer]

Over time with hard riding, the springs can over-compress in the outside positions. Tension adjustments can also be used to help minimize popping out as springs age.

At the inside positions, springs rarely overcompress.

[oldnbroken]

Crossair hubs are really the same as the MBS hubs and both are not as wide as the Carveboard hubs but it is not enough of an issue for me to spend to much time or energy worrying about it. I just slap the slicks on and be happy. That's what I did with the MBS Tri Spoke hubs and they are good, maybe not as grippy as the Carveboard tire/hub set up but hard to tell if there is a difference because there are so many factors that differ...deck, trucks, hubs etc..

Adjustability is not a huge issue. To be able to adjust the spring strength, spring placement position and egg shocks is plenty for me. MBS allows for that, Carveboard is harder to do those things, you can change springs but it's a bit of a pain and the spring only goes in one position. Eggs shocks go in but the truck was not built for them. I don't mess with the Carveboard.

What's a Trampa Dampa insert?.......not familiar with those inserts. Know the Trampa name but nothing about an insert.

I'm not bombing with any boards (skate or hybrid) at this point in time...it's all slow carving for me. I cannot afford any more concrete kissing.
I've got 60K of work in my neck now and I would be an idiot to put myself in the position of any more damage from a road slam.

The Carveboard is for the really slow tight stuff. The MBS road set ups go a little faster but they are still just carvers. The springs and deck are a bit tighter feeling and the deck sits a little higher relative to the hub center so they are not as easy to push out to a slide so you tend to feel like you can go a little faster. The Flexboardz goes faster and does not wobble. The Dirtsurfer will go as fast as you have the sack to take it. You can slide the Carveboard and MBS rigs to get things under control but I don't think the Carveboard or these MBS street rigs should be used for any speed. Gotta keep these under control as far as I'm concerned. I can't footbrake for #### and my right arm will never go straight again so I plan on no more broken bones. If you get a little speedy, you can get low and push these to wash out the back and skid to a stop but I want to avoid high siding anymore if possible also.

I don't know the guys at MBS as far as who rides or not, Patrick seems to know his stuff. From my conversations with the guys at GI, I did not get the impression they were riding much. I know GI gets a lot of feedback from sponsored riders. Some of the folks at Carveboard ride but some surely do not.

[ATG-ATB]

Trampa Dampas touch both top-hats without any tightening so are good for other channels without the adjusting bolts on. They're much more popular than egg shocks in the UK, pretty much everyone with channels use them, I guess springs will last longer without being cranked down from the start?

[oldnbroken]

Trampa Dampas touch both top-hats without any tightening so are good for other channels without the adjusting bolts on. They're much more popular than egg shocks in the UK, pretty much everyone with channels use them, I guess springs will last longer without being cranked down from the start?

Easy to get in the USA or no?

[ATG-ATB]

No idea I'm afraid. I think there's 3 different duros, the hardest are only really ridable with snowboard bindings they're so hard. The mids are stiffer than any eggs I've tried and I've not tried the softest one or seen any available anywhere. They're well worth getting if you want a stiffer truck, you can get a similar effect with two sets of eggs with one set cut in half. If you're more into carving then it's probably not worth shipping from europe. I don't know how it is the other way round but when I want something from the US I end up paying between $50-100 in shipping and taxes

[Barf]

I don't know how it is the other way round but when I want something from the US I end up paying between $50-100 in shipping and taxes

We generally don't pay jack unless we're importing commercial quantities.

[ATG-ATB]

We generally don't pay jack unless we're importing commercial quantities.

Lucky gits. The goverment holds us down with import tax while the couriers butt f*ck us with additional service charges.

[sk8norcal]

so are the Brasilian carverboards made under licence or just a copy...
same factory out of china??

YouTube - Carveboard Dropboards Joana Prado PT 1

[BluegrassSurfer]

Trucks look more like old-style MBS channel trucks. Carve seems a tad stiff.