extreme snakeboarding

[Gomer]

i want to make one that leans...

Yes! Seems like a good idea to have the lean control of a skateboard with the wiggle capabilies of a Snakeboard.

Streetboards have an advantage over Snakeboards due to their lower CoG. I could think of a truck design that would give lean steer and still be close to as low as the street board truck.

I wonder what affect a lean steer truck would have? Could you pivot push (wiggle) and still lean steer. I think so.

[pavedwave]

I've done a search on the term "LDP" but can't find where it is written out. Is it "long distance pumping" or "longboard downhill pumping" or what?

Nevermind. I just saw in the Disciplines listing. Long Distance Pumping - right?

LDP = Long Distance Pumping and it involves real skateboards that can tackle huge cross-country distances pumping across flats and still handle the big-ass hills along the way. The hybrid boards don't fare too well in that arena.

Long distance skateboard pumping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to be confused with Pushing which is better known as "Skateboarding" since its what people automatically associate with it. The "distance pushing" crowd should stick with "Distance Skateboarding" or "DS" --and come up with some gangsta signs to go with it.

[sk8norcal]

Yes! Seems like a good idea to have the lean control of a skateboard with the wiggle capabilies of a Snakeboard.

that Squirmboard is the 2 wheel version...

I could think of a truck design that would give lean steer and still be close to as low as the street board truck.

hmmm... i don't see how that's possible..
it would have to be higher to avoid wheelbite..

[sk8norcal]

Not to be confused with Pushing which is better known as "Skateboarding" since its what people automatically associate with it. The "distance pushing" crowd should stick with "Distance Skateboarding" or "DS" --and come up with some gangsta signs to go with it.

i believe long distance pushing is traditionally called x-country..

u gonna hate this idea...

I think both should be called LDP...
LDPump
LDPush

a lot of guys do both... when doing the distance...
LDPP...

both should be under the category of X-country Skateboarding...

[sk8norcal]

Wow, that boarder cross event has some potential.

have you seen park slalom?
most don't have jumps...
cuz you know.. most skaters can't catch air...
I would like to see a course with airs...
ridden by more talented riders..
like the guy at 3:43

YouTube - ELBO SKATEPARK DeathRACE

[sk8norcal]

MXC style..

YouTube - Deathrace 2006 Blackpool

[Bryant@BCLongboards]

Nice video! Looks like fun actually

[Gomer]

LDP = Long Distance Pumping and it involves real skateboards that can tackle huge cross-country distances pumping across flats and still handle the big-ass hills along the way. The hybrid boards don't fare too well in that arena.

I hope this question isn't trolling since I responding to something rather trollish said by someone else. But, what exactly are the specifications of a "real" skateboard and what are the hybrid boards that don't do well?

Most people know real skateboards to be what is sold at Target. Looks like alot of the LDP have been lowered, cut out and tightened up to be stable and easy to push. How is the Rolls Rolls not a hybrid?

[Longbord1]

Do snake boards use hard or soft wheels?

[Gomer]

What's this then?

YouTube - Synchronized Skateboarding

I agree with HC, cross country skateboarding. Give what you ride and how you ride it any initials you want.

[pavedwave]

I hope this question isn't trolling since I responding to something rather trollish said by someone else. But, what exactly are the specifications of a "real" skateboard and what are the hybrid boards that don't do well?

Most people know real skateboards to be what is sold at Target. Looks like alot of the LDP have been cut out and tightened up to be stable and easy to push. How is the Rolls Rolls not a hybrid?

LDP (long distance pumping) boards are typically topmount, designed with optimal pumping mechanics in mind: generous width, responsive flex, and long wheelbases. The trucks are set up much like slalom boards, just wider and with SGS-sized wheels.

RollsRolls is a lowered / dropped deck distance skateboard, using the traditional method of pushing/kicking for propulsion, rather than pumping. The Rolls is definitely unique looking in that it's one of the only skateboard decks with fenders, and the kevlar-carbon super-lightweight construction is unique as well -- but other than that, the deck's architecture isn't a whole lot different than the Landyactz DH race, and we typically run standard trucks like Randals and big wheels like Flys in the 85mm++ range.

There are some lowered decks like the G-Bomb Cambiar, and Subsonic Century, which straddle the fence, nominally lowered for ease of pushing, but having a little flex and giving the feet a little more platform near the trucks so that pumping is still somewhat possible.

What don't the hybrid boards do well? They can't even begin to handle the rides I consider true LDP excursions. This weekend I'll be clocking over 200 miles in 2 days, and I wouldn't trust that snakeboard/streetboard thing for more than a couple miles on really smooth, really controlled surfaces. These guys might be doing neat tricks for 30-second videos, but would you really enjoy riding that stuff for 12 hours at a time? That's enough criteria for me.

[Gomer]

So you are pumping the whole time that you aren't coasting?

I meant to post the video of the guy who did a long distance ride on a Rolls Rolls pushing with a Big Stick but couldn't find it. The one I posted instead was just too funny and slightly topical.

Sure a Rip Stick couldn't go 200 miles but could a Tony Hawk board from Target? It's all skateboarding.

Does anyone ride the ACE 102s? I like big wheels.

[pavedwave]

i believe long distance pushing is traditionally called x-country..

u gonna hate this idea...

I think both should be called LDP...
LDPump
LDPush

a lot of guys do both... when doing the distance...
LDPP...

both should be under the category of X-country Skateboarding...

I just think its redundant to explicitly call out "pushing" when pushing is the universally accepted, de facto method of getting around on a skateboard. The average non-skater doesn't even think about pumping a skateboard, which is why we explicitly called it LDP. We kept on running into people asking what we're doing because in their minds we weren't "skateboarding" in the sense most were familar seeing -- so the LDP thing just helped summarize the whole pumping concept to the layman.

In my mind, "Distance Skateboarding" implies pushing. X-country works just as well. Saying long distance pushing to someone assumes that they even know or care what pumping is, and that we need to differentiate the two. We don't. 99% of the time, people wouldn't have a clue pumping existed as an option. Given that, LDP could be considered more of a method used in travelling distances, than assuming it's the "only" way someone is going to go across an entire state. I think it's pretty obvious given the terrain and conditions that even someone like myself who pumps most of the time is going to have to succumb to primitive (yet very efficient) pushing methods, up hills and over choppy surfaces.

[sk8norcal]

Do snake boards use hard or soft wheels?

both, just like skateboards...

[sk8norcal]

James, i see ur point, but
amongst the longboard crowd, i think my naming system is more logical,

look up cross country skiing on wiki...

3 techniques/style
classic
skating
telemark

[pavedwave]

James, i see ur point, but
amongst the longboard crowd, i think my naming system is more logical,

look up cross country skiing on wiki...

3 techniques/style
classic
skating
telemark

Why do you and Gomer think I'm against this X-country thing? I agree that whatever people want to call what they do, fine. LDP will always mean pumping to me. And LDP is a method of riding, it doesn't mean that the minute your feet touch the ground to push they explode or something. I can't believe people would honestly think I do "non-stop pumping" up 3,000 foot inclines, and over gravel and chip-seal...

Half a year ago, when Maria was working with me on a sk8kings LDP deck (which we've since abandoned) -- I actually proposed they change their "LDP" page to something more generic, and sent this list to her:

Distance
Endurance
X-Country

...and when Maria saw that, the DEX thing immediately jumped out at her-- the rest is history.

I still think the phrase long distance pushing is redundant. Saying you're "long distance pushing" a skateboard is like saying you're eating -- with your mouth!

[sk8norcal]

But, what exactly are the specifications of a "real" skateboard and what are the hybrid boards that don't do well?

Yes, what is exactly a "real' skateboard?
and what makes a board a Hybrid and not a skateboard....

I remember when Jack Smith and his friends went cross the country on his RollsRolls, this skater friend of mine said, "that's too bad they are riding that weird thing, they should use a 'real' skateboard..."

and then there is Carveboard. I heard they didn't want their product to be considered a longboard, even though it's basically just a longboard with pneumatic wheels...

a Carvestik, that's a skateboard.. not a hybrid..

aren't mountainboards just a skateboard with air-filled wheels plus bindings...

those Lonnie Toft 8 wheelers... that should be a hybrid, not a skateboard...

James (pavedwave) was using a carver CX front truck for a while doing LDP. The swiveling nature of that truck could be considered 'not really a skateboard truck' by the purist...

6 wheelers, is that a skateboard?


btw, James, in LDP, a 'real' skateboard might be the king...
but in distance pushing, I think a hybrid could be better...
(I am thinking a board with regular frt trucks and a 16" bicycle wheel rear, or a dirtsurfer frt with skate truck rear)

[sk8norcal]

I still think the phrase long distance pushing is redundant. Saying you're "long distance pushing" a skateboard is like saying you're eating -- with your mouth!

ha!
i think u don't like it because they got the same initials and would create massive silverfish confusion...

in ur wiki page, u never mentioned Cross-country skateboarding...

more catchy initials..
XCS - cross country skateboarding
LDS - long distance skateboarding
PuPu - combo pump and push technique for distance skating.. (not to be confused with skogging)
AFP - alternating foot pushing technique
LDBSS - long distance big stick skating...

woo... I see pushing have proved superior to pumping...

Paul Kent aka Fuzzydeer on the skatefurther forum has just beaten the previous 24 hour record set by Barefoot Ted. Paul skated a massive 250.5 miles in 24 hours… pushing the whole way!

[pavedwave]

ha!
i think u don't like it because they got the same initials and would create massive silverfish confusion...

I think u are confusing me with someone who gives a #### It's cool that Long Distance Pumping made its way onto the forum description here, and I'm glad to have not specifically requested or pushed for that myself...it was requested by SF users. I have not tried to "evangelize" the LDP thing in some arenas, far more edifying to see people who "get it", adopt it and make it their own.

in ur wiki page, u never mentioned Cross-country skateboarding...

do a search it comes up a lot. and the forum description has always read "cross-country adventuring", just a couple links
pavedwave longboarding :: STP 2009
pavedwave longboarding :: The 24-Hour Ultraskate Prep

more catchy initials...

the original idea behind adopting LDP wasn't to create a fad or something catchy. things like that are temporal and go away in a few years. the idea was to explain what we were doing. that's all. you do recall that you are the one who gave me the LDP acronym back on ncdsa many moons ago, right?

woo... I see pushing have proved superior to pumping...

so far. The cyber mile is still dominated by pumpers however.

At some point, I think we're also just going to start seeing the results based on the sheer numbers of "athletes" into skateboarding, which will initially result in more "pushers" vs. the LDP-type. Fuzzydeer a.k.a. Paul Kent has some really interesting feedback/impressions about the ultraskate experience on my forum as well, check
pavedwave longboarding :: Ultraskate VII - June 21st--22nd Summer Solstice

I've honestly never considered myself an athlete, so I'm pretty damn happy with how far I've been able to go on 4 wheels, and I'm still hoping for a completely dry ultraskate session to hit my next personal best, world record or not.

Given that my site is "all about LDP", ironically, my best 24-hour record (208 miles) was also achieved by pushing, because the day that was selected was 70% nasty torrential rainstorms, but we decided to push through it anyway. If anything it only strengthened my belief that while pushing is definitely efficient, pumping in the long run is far easier on the body.

[sk8norcal]

the original idea behind adopting LDP wasn't to create a fad or something catchy. things like that are temporal and go away in a few years. the idea was to explain what we were doing. that's all. you do recall that you are the one who gave me the LDP acronym back on ncdsa many moons ago, right?

Really? my memory is spacey...
must got that from my running days...
LSD - Long Slow Distance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
i was reading ur wiki, I totally forgot about "skumping"...
thank god, u didn't stick with that one
Catchy is good when it comes to names..

The cyber mile is still dominated by pumpers however.

yes, that still surprise me...

At some point, I think we're also just going to start seeing the results based on the sheer numbers of "athletes" into skateboarding, which will initially result in more "pushers" vs. the LDP-type.

well, LDPers have done much better than anyone expected.
surprised many people that it rivals pushing..
Once distance racing gets more popular,
i see the need for two divisions..
pushers vs pumpers
(i foresee the need to work out some rules for LDP racing)

Fuzzydeer a.k.a. Paul Kent has some really interesting feedback/impressions about the ultraskate experience on my forum as well, check
pavedwave longboarding :: Ultraskate VII - June 21st--22nd Summer Solstice

nice, he mentioned 'endurance skateboarding', that's another cool name...
does he have any footage, i like to check out his pushing technique..

I've honestly never considered myself an athlete, so I'm pretty damn happy with how far I've been able to go on 4 wheels, and I'm still hoping for a completely dry ultraskate session to hit my next personal best, world record or not.

good luck!