LY Evo with Gullwing Sidewinders?

[crazycrash1]

Hey guys, my parents said I could customize a set-up for christmas, i thought i would go out-there and see what would happen. I ordered a Landyachtz Evo deck, GullWing Sidewinders, and 97mm Abec 11 75a Flywheels. I like both DH and carving and kind of just wanted to see what would happen. First off, I'm looking for general opinions on this set-up. I had heard good things about the evo and thought that the turning with the Gullwings would be nuts. I also think the ride height will be slightly more legit because of the drop deck. my second question is (though i have seen it discussed in other forums) what are different suggestions of immobilizing one of the bushing pairs on each truck to make it more stable at high speeds. I would like to be able to decently easily go between both the carving and DH set up. I have the stock bushings right now. I'm down to spend about 40 bucks tops to improve it more. suggestions?

[gavmck]

Wow, that sounds a bit mental... Have you tried riding it yet?

There's a guy on here who invented the double pivot sidewinder style truck and I read a way of easily tweaking it for a DH run. His Screen Name is AWLMS, I think your best bet would be to send him a PM and ask how he does it. If you get some good info, post up your experiences tweaking in this thread!

[sketch]

dont quote me on this but im pretty sure that the angle in which the truck turns will cause you to get some major wheel/railbite in an evo.

[crazycrash1]

no the deck comes in 2 days, the wheels come tomorrow. i just wanted some feedback before i got it on how i could dh on the sidewinders and general board comments. i think the evo is set up along with how far the sidwinders extend in the front should negate any wheelbite. what do others think? im not sure having never owned an evo before.

[whiskeyhill]

for 40 bucks, buy more stable trucks like hmm.. randals? but thats just me... ignore.

[crazycrash1]

for 40 bucks, buy more stable trucks like hmm.. randals? but thats just me... ignore.

Ok let me rephrase. Without buying new trucks, like bushing set ups people know about that they use. Ice looked around but the info is so scattered. I'm going to experiment once the whole board gets here I was just looking for a good starting point.

[gavmck]

The good starting point is ask that guy who invented them, he KNOWS how these trucks work inside and out.

[mc99david]

that sounds like a very interesting set up. i have got to see pics when you get it. i also would suggest having a second set of trucks for speed, and ypu will probably find that you need a stickier wheel for carving that. droped boards drift easier and with the tight turning radius of those trucks yoy may have some unexpected breaking loose issues. but again not speeking from experience as i have never even heard of someone trying this setup

[pavedwave]

... read a way of easily tweaking it for a DH run.

yeah, Al would know about this, I don't remember what his tweak was to make the sidewinders work for DH but if you just take out the middle insert on both front and back, you'll be back to a conventional truck setup, I wonder if that is the tweak?

i don't think S9 uses wedging on their completes with sidewinders, so i'm mainly curious how that Evo's natural wedging in front and dewedging in rear will make the trucks feel. hope you add some comments once you've had it out for a few runs (wear your pads)

[gavmck]

Nah, I'm pretty sure it involved adding some kind of extra washer somewhere, that, when cranked down, stopped one of the extra hangers from pivoting. Meaning if you have a skate tool with you, you can swap your board between carving and DH at a moments notice!

EDIT: Below is the reply you were looking for, nice post AWLMS!

[AWLMS]

crazycrash,

You have a few options for clamping down the Insert on the Sidewinders. The most radical of them is to custom make some hard teflon, or even aluminum, bushings for the insert. Another way is to use a metal or hard plastic bushing as a replacement for the UPPER bushing on the INSERT.(note: The INSERT bushings are those mounted directly to the baseplate, as compared to the hanger bushings which are mounted to the Insert.) So, by using solid, inflexible bushings you can incapacitate the Insert entirely.

However, If you don't want to go to that extent, you can do some less drastic modifications. A technique that I came up with uses an extra metal washer, which is installed on top of the stock washer on the Insert. The additional washer needs to be a size about 1/8" larger in diameter, so that when it's tightened down HARD, it fits snuggly into the 1" dia. aluminum 'upper bushing collar' on the Insert. Since there are so many different truck makes, you just need to try a few washers to find one that fits. It should be about 15/16 to 1" in outside diameter. You need to install it on top of the stock washer because the extra space(and strength) added by keeping the stock washer, lets you keep the extra washer on when wanting to ride the trucks loose... for tight turning. This way, the additional washer functions in the way that a SOLID upper bushing would when tightened HARD... but when loosened, is able to tilt somewhat, and doesn't hamper too much the effect of the Insert when making sharp turns. And although the washers WILL need to be changed occasionally when they get to bent up, it is still a good COMPROMISE OPTION for partially immobilizing the insert. So you see you have a few options to choose from.

However, If you are really into DOWNHILL, you should probably just get some downhill trucks that are specifically designed for speed stability, and use a Sidewinder set-up for pumping and carving.

Moreover, I think that using Sidewinders almost exclusively for speed purposes is like breaking new ground, as they weren't designed for this. So you better be careful, get to know well the particular set-up you're experimenting with, and use all your safety gear. This way you will be able to, SLOWLY and safely, find the limits of your proposed new LY EVO/Sidewinder set-up.

Also, crazycrash....your name doesn't exactly evoke too much confidence! : O )

Best with everything and ride safe!

[pavedwave]

sounds like some good advice from Al, that's why I mentioned pads (and helmet, and leathers, and a pillow duct-taped to your butt)

i'd still like to hear how wedging affects sidewinders-- that's what the shape of the Evo is all about.

good luck, now you've heard from the source-
.

[netphreak]

How were you able to find sidewinders without buying a complete? I've tried to find them for a few different projects, but I could only get them through sector 9... *gag*

[AWLMS]

How were you able to find sidewinders without buying a complete? I've tried to find them for a few different projects, but I could only get them through sector 9... *gag*

crazycrash1,

I want to make a correction to my post above about clamping the Sidewinders. The newest Sidewinders that just came out, use different bushings (orange conicals) from the older models which were Black barrels, and as of yet I haven't tested the clamping on this model of of the trucks. Also all of my personal tests with the clamping were done with custom bushings and washers...spare parts that I had laying around, because I never liked the barrel bushings that came stock on the Sidewinders --and so I substituted them immediatly with other types of hardware. So there is a possibility that the top bushings might be too high and won't allow for the extra washer on these new trucks. If so you can try a normal Venture style upper bushing which is what I have done with other types of modifications in the past. Also, depending on the guage of the stock washers that Sector 9 includes, you might also need to file down one edge of the additional washer if it rubs too much when it's loosened up. I never had a problem with this on the older Sidewinders, but am not exactly sure about the newer.

And Sidewinders can be found at Amazon .com....I think through BC Surf and Skate, and a couple of other outlets.

[crazycrash1]

The good starting point is ask that guy who invented them, he KNOWS how these trucks work inside and out.

Maybe I'm missing something.... How do I talk to him? And thank you guys for the help. I will for sure post how it is when I actually ride it. If I do take the gullwing spacers totally out, it won't hurt the trucks to ride them right? I don't want to break it while experimenting because I didn't know about somthing. When grippier wheels were recommended, does anyone have suggestion on what type would work best? I got the 97 because I hadn't ever ridden something that large and wanted to try somthing new.

[pirateswin]

Maybe I'm missing something.... How do I talk to him?

There's a guy on here who invented the double pivot sidewinder style truck and I read a way of easily tweaking it for a DH run. His Screen Name is AWLMS, I think your best bet would be to send him a PM and ask how he does it.

To be perfectly honest, it's not that the information is that scattered here. Instead, your problem is that no one's really dealt that much with sidewinders on DH boards like the Evo because it is simply not as good of a setup.

[AWLMS]

[QUOTE=crazycrash1;862436]Maybe I'm missing something.... How do I talk to him?

Crazycrash 1...I am "him". Sorry if I don't sound like an inventor, though! : )

If you want, PM me and I'll answer your questions to the best of my ability.

[Doors]

97mm flys and gullwings dont seem like a good match.

[hexagon5un]

... When grippier wheels were recommended, does anyone have suggestion on what type would work best? I got the 97 because I hadn't ever ridden something that large and wanted to try somthing new.

That setup is mad. You're for sure going to be the first person to ever ride an Evo with Sidewinders, much less one on 97 Flys. "Try something new" is an understatement. You're about 6 miles past the border into Crazyville...

I wouldn't sweat the grip on the 97 Flys just yet. Try it out and see how it goes first. It's such an odd setup that I doubt anyone's experience is really relevant.

But take it easy with that bad boy. Pad up and get used to it on the flats first -- you're a test pilot. Keep an eye out for wheelbite, and let us all know (preferably with video) how it goes. Worst comes to worst, you'll just have to buy a topmount and small wheels for the Sidewinders and Grizzlies for the Evo and then you'll have two very fun, differentiated boards in your quiver.

[crazycrash1]

That setup is mad. You're for sure going to be the first person to ever ride an Evo with Sidewinders, much less one on 97 Flys. "Try something new" is an understatement. You're about 6 miles past the border into Crazyville...

I wouldn't sweat the grip on the 97 Flys just yet. Try it out and see how it goes first. It's such an odd setup that I doubt anyone's experience is really relevant.

But take it easy with that bad boy. Pad up and get used to it on the flats first -- you're a test pilot. Keep an eye out for wheelbite, and let us all know (preferably with video) how it goes. Worst comes to worst, you'll just have to buy a topmount and small wheels for the Sidewinders and Grizzlies for the Evo and then you'll have two very fun, differentiated boards in your quiver.

I'm sure i will eventually get sick of this set up and when i have enough money get a new deck and throw the sidewinders on there. along with continuing suggestions/comments on my current set-up, what would people recommend for a sick carving dropthrough deck to ride with the sidewinders? something bamboo? possibly a loaded????