Hey guys, my parents said I could customize a set-up for christmas, i thought i would go out-there and see what would happen. I ordered a Landyachtz Evo deck, GullWing Sidewinders, and 97mm Abec 11 75a Flywheels. I like both DH and carving and kind of just wanted to see what would happen. First off, I'm looking for general opinions on this set-up. I had heard good things about the evo and thought that the turning with the Gullwings would be nuts. I also think the ride height will be slightly more legit because of the drop deck. my second question is (though i have seen it discussed in other forums) what are different suggestions of immobilizing one of the bushing pairs on each truck to make it more stable at high speeds. I would like to be able to decently easily go between both the carving and DH set up. I have the stock bushings right now. I'm down to spend about 40 bucks tops to improve it more. suggestions?
Wow, that sounds a bit mental... Have you tried riding it yet?
There's a guy on here who invented the double pivot sidewinder style truck and I read a way of easily tweaking it for a DH run. His Screen Name is AWLMS, I think your best bet would be to send him a PM and ask how he does it. If you get some good info, post up your experiences tweaking in this thread!
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no the deck comes in 2 days, the wheels come tomorrow. i just wanted some feedback before i got it on how i could dh on the sidewinders and general board comments. i think the evo is set up along with how far the sidwinders extend in the front should negate any wheelbite. what do others think? im not sure having never owned an evo before.
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Last edited by crazycrash1; 01-08-2008 at 07:02 AM.
for 40 bucks, buy more stable trucks like hmm.. randals? but thats just me... ignore.
Ok let me rephrase. Without buying new trucks, like bushing set ups people know about that they use. Ice looked around but the info is so scattered. I'm going to experiment once the whole board gets here I was just looking for a good starting point.
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that sounds like a very interesting set up. i have got to see pics when you get it. i also would suggest having a second set of trucks for speed, and ypu will probably find that you need a stickier wheel for carving that. droped boards drift easier and with the tight turning radius of those trucks yoy may have some unexpected breaking loose issues. but again not speeking from experience as i have never even heard of someone trying this setup
... read a way of easily tweaking it for a DH run.
yeah, Al would know about this, I don't remember what his tweak was to make the sidewinders work for DH but if you just take out the middle insert on both front and back, you'll be back to a conventional truck setup, I wonder if that is the tweak?
i don't think S9 uses wedging on their completes with sidewinders, so i'm mainly curious how that Evo's natural wedging in front and dewedging in rear will make the trucks feel. hope you add some comments once you've had it out for a few runs (wear your pads)
Nah, I'm pretty sure it involved adding some kind of extra washer somewhere, that, when cranked down, stopped one of the extra hangers from pivoting. Meaning if you have a skate tool with you, you can swap your board between carving and DH at a moments notice!
EDIT: Below is the reply you were looking for, nice post AWLMS!
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You have a few options for clamping down the Insert on the Sidewinders. The most radical of them is to custom make some hard teflon, or even aluminum, bushings for the insert. Another way is to use a metal or hard plastic bushing as a replacement for the UPPER bushing on the INSERT.(note: The INSERT bushings are those mounted directly to the baseplate, as compared to the hanger bushings which are mounted to the Insert.) So, by using solid, inflexible bushings you can incapacitate the Insert entirely.
However, If you don't want to go to that extent, you can do some less drastic modifications. A technique that I came up with uses an extra metal washer, which is installed on top of the stock washer on the Insert. The additional washer needs to be a size about 1/8" larger in diameter, so that when it's tightened down HARD, it fits snuggly into the 1" dia. aluminum 'upper bushing collar' on the Insert. Since there are so many different truck makes, you just need to try a few washers to find one that fits. It should be about 15/16 to 1" in outside diameter. You need to install it on top of the stock washer because the extra space(and strength) added by keeping the stock washer, lets you keep the extra washer on when wanting to ride the trucks loose... for tight turning. This way, the additional washer functions in the way that a SOLID upper bushing would when tightened HARD... but when loosened, is able to tilt somewhat, and doesn't hamper too much the effect of the Insert when making sharp turns. And although the washers WILL need to be changed occasionally when they get to bent up, it is still a good COMPROMISE OPTION for partially immobilizing the insert. So you see you have a few options to choose from.
However, If you are really into DOWNHILL, you should probably just get some downhill trucks that are specifically designed for speed stability, and use a Sidewinder set-up for pumping and carving.
Moreover, I think that using Sidewinders almost exclusively for speed purposes is like breaking new ground, as they weren't designed for this. So you better be careful, get to know well the particular set-up you're experimenting with, and use all your safety gear. This way you will be able to, SLOWLY and safely, find the limits of your proposed new LY EVO/Sidewinder set-up.
Also, crazycrash....your name doesn't exactly evoke too much confidence! : O )
How were you able to find sidewinders without buying a complete? I've tried to find them for a few different projects, but I could only get them through sector 9... *gag*
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