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Old 11-16-2008, 04:11 PM   #41
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My point is, that you are on here telling a bunch of people who already know what a Freebord is, how great it is. That's been done a lot of times here before and a bunch of Fish have been on one. The Freebord is not in it's infancy, not really that new. I got on one four years ago and they have been around for longer than that, definitely. It is not a revolution, it is just another great way to get your kicks. I know all about the snowboard revolution, I was there for that one, as some others here were too.
The Freebord push you are on about will not send most longboard guys running to go buy one. Most of these guys have tried about everything and they know what they like. I have come on here and talked about Carveboards, Dirtsurfers, mountainboards, Outback boards, kiteboarding, land sailing, Kitewings, land kiting and Tierney boards and I have never had a bunch of Silverfishers get all excited and tell me they never heard of it and/or never tried one. I definitely know where you are coming from and I think some of the hybrid boards are really cool but you will not get far pushing it hard here......I've been there. I am glad you are stoked and I agree they are cool but some of the stuff some of these guys can do on a longboard is nothing short of amazing. So try to go slow and don't push super hard and you will get a positive reaction hopefully.
I understand what your saying, its hard to get people who love X to start to love Z, makes sense. However freebording IS in it's infancy, first ones were made less than 10 years ago and only a few years ago did they become legit. Even at 9 years old it's a completely new sport, snowboarding is considered a young sport at about 50 years old. Many sports are hundreds of years old so saying a sport less than 10 years is in it's infancy is a fair statement.

A freebords amazing amount of control comes from being able to move the board sideways at any speed, dig in and cut off speed. yes longboarders can "carve" and good ones can slide to cut off speed but to I've personally never seen any longboards able to do stand up slides, except in videos. Its also a shame freebord is classified in the same category as flowboards and other crappy "alternative" boards, it's nothing like them.

I'm glad people have heard about it before but I hope everyone will do some real research before they knock it and not be like skiers were 40 years ago saying how lame snowboarding was
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I wouldn't call it threatening, more like funny. There's a separate kind of funny caused by the people trying push/defend freebording here. This is silverfishLONGBOARDING and all, I'm confused why you would expect at least some of members to such a forum to think freebords are funny jokes.
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Alot of you guys are hating and I understand, something new has come along and in your eyes somehow "threatened" the longboard community. Why cant people do both. I bet at least some of you longboarders started longboarding cause you wanted some type of board to ride when you couldn't snowboard. The feeling and freedom of riding a freebord is similar to snowboarding. I can bomb any hill even if there not a long run off to dissipated speed. The amount of control you have is way beyond any longboard out there.
what?

no.
Tried it myself, and i don't like it. My first reaction while riding it was "what the #### is this ####"
Good footages tho, but it's not my thing.
Can you do ~30 miles flatland on that?

Also, control wise...
no footbraking, and your best way to stop is..um..shave off your speed. no emergency slides, even though you can.
i personally don't like bindings.
i don't do snowboarding.

...in fact, i hate snows.

anyways, good luck promoting your...stuff..here.
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I wouldn't call it threatening, more like funny. There's a separate kind of funny caused by the people trying push/defend freebording here. This is silverfishLONGBOARDING and all, I'm confused why you would expect at least some of members to such a forum to think freebords are funny jokes.
I figured some people would think its dumb just as tons of skiers thought snowboards were dumb. But I also knew some people got into longboarding so they could ride some type of board during summer when they couldnt snowboard so I guess this is more focused toward them.

As for braking you can brake just like a snowboard either in a slide or completely sideways if you really need to cut off speed. Longboards you have to foot brake or hand slide or if your really good do a stand up slide, which I believe like 1% of longboarders can do. I seem to find two groups of longboarders in my travels. One type is cool, open minded and want to know about the freebord and just chill. The other type jus like to hate on freebords and try to talk sh** about freebords. It's funny because the second type usually has never ridden their longboard over 20mph and just use it as transportation. I'm hoping to find some of the cool, open minded type but I don't mind the haters especially since most people who hate on freebords can't ride half the hills I can

@ Hanael a freebord doesnt need to foot brake which is a lame way to stop anyway. If you really need to stop you can dig in like ur snowboard like this


otherwise you can carve like on your snowboard

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yes longboarders can "carve" and good ones can slide to cut off speed but to I've personally never seen any longboards able to do stand up slides, except in videos.
youve never seen one longboarder do stand up slides?
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Do you know what happens to bad boys?....they have to ride a Flowboard.
The Freebord guys continue to be really stoked about their weapon of choice and I have never seen such a continued level of needing to evangelize the board to everyone else.
Their marketing people must have some powers of hypnotism!
I agree with Pat and Ben though, gotta let people ride what they wanna ride.
But the sales pitches that appear every three months are kinda weird and sometimes a bit annoying.
Who sends them on these missions?

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I'm glad people have heard about it before but I hope everyone will do some real research before they knock it
old 'n broken, I have so much respect for you and your patience. You always bring sanity to an otherwise flame-fest.

monterevolt, I must be more blunt than my elder here though and point out the irony of you telling us to do our research on YOUR sport whereas you have clearly not done yours regarding OUR sport. I'll remind the rest of the readers that you have demonstrated that you seriously think the only two ways to "control" a longboard are to either carve, or standup-slide.

I think you should be obligated to do the research in this scenario, since you are addressing a community of longboarders (not the other way around).
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old 'n broken, I have so much respect for you and your patience. You always bring sanity to an otherwise flame-fest.

monterevolt, I must be more blunt than my elder here though and point out the irony of you telling us to do our research on YOUR sport whereas you have clearly not done yours regarding OUR sport. I'll remind the rest of the readers that you have demonstrated that you seriously think the only two ways to "control" a longboard are to either carve, or standup-slide.

I think you should be obligated to do the research in this scenario, since you are addressing a community of longboarders (not the other way around).
I have done plenty and I hang around with longboarders on a regular basis. I didn't say there were only 2 ways to "control" the board. The "control" i was referring to which is now taken out of context was speed control. Controlling speed on a long board can be done via foot braking, carving, sliding with gloves or stand up sliding at least from what I have read and heard. Please educate me with your knowledge on other ways to slow down on a longboard.
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I get the impression that you very recently figured that out...
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I can bomb any hill even if there not a long run off to dissipated speed. The amount of control you have is way beyond any longboard out there.
Since when does it take a "long run off" to throw a hand down and side-slip to a stop?
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I have done plenty and I hang around with longboarders on a regular basis. I didn't say there were only 2 ways to "control" the board. The "control" i was referring to which is now taken out of context was speed control. Controlling speed on a long board can be done via foot braking, carving, sliding with gloves or stand up sliding at least from what I have read and heard. Please educate me with your knowledge on other ways to slow down on a longboard.
i can stop on command under 35mph above that would windbrake first but in an emergency could still just slide if i really had to
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monterevolt, i'm usually quite patient with people, but for you...

#### off to the hybrid section.

what you ride is your problem. but dont get on the e-conversion bandwagon.

To me, your attitude is as bad as tech skater who come to the fish to convert, we come here because we like...no, LOVE longboarding, if i wanted to talk to people like you and your toys i go into the CBD of my city and stand around for 10mins.

i have ridden one of your boards and hated it...warm night caught in a duvet style....same as all the other hybrids, i don't like them.

so please, accept that this isn't the place and walk away.
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I understand what your saying, its hard to get people who love X to start to love Z, makes sense. However freebording IS in it's infancy, first ones were made less than 10 years ago and only a few years ago did they become legit. Even at 9 years old it's a completely new sport, snowboarding is considered a young sport at about 50 years old. Many sports are hundreds of years old so saying a sport less than 10 years is in it's infancy is a fair statement.

A freebords amazing amount of control comes from being able to move the board sideways at any speed, dig in and cut off speed. yes longboarders can "carve" and good ones can slide to cut off speed but to I've personally never seen any longboards able to do stand up slides, except in videos. Its also a shame freebord is classified in the same category as flowboards and other crappy "alternative" boards, it's nothing like them.

I'm glad people have heard about it before but I hope everyone will do some real research before they knock it and not be like skiers were 40 years ago saying how lame snowboarding was
Okay, let me try this again.
First of all snowboarding is not 50 years old, that would have been 1958, the year I was born, Jake Burton is my age so snowboarding is closer to 30 years old.
Skateboarding was around before snowboarding but it is not 50 years old either.
Freebording is an offshoot of skateboarding, longboarding, snowboarding.
The people that are gonna ever ride a Freebord are a small percentage of board oriented people that are willing to go through the learning curve, which is painful and will limit the sport to young men primarily.
It will never explode like snowboarding or a jetski, for that reason.....sorry.
Most (95 or more percent?) people that will pick up a Freebord are snowboarders or skateboarders and lots and lots of 'em know what a Freebord is.
In this marketplace, ten years is not infancy, the Freebord has had ten years to explode and it is not happening.
I think it is a better hybrid than a Flowboard but so is a Dirtsurfer, a Tierney board, and a Carveboard as examples.
They are the fringe of board sports and will get some followers but will not explode for several reasons.
I own most of these items, have tried them all, have helped market a few of them and have thought a lot about why or why not they are a mass appeal item.
I kiteboard, how many people do you think kiteboard as opposed to Freebord?...lots and lots more but it is still a fringe sport.
How long has kiteboarding been in existence?.... about twelve years.
The Freebord has had ten years to explode in this marketplace and guess what?
Kiteboarding will not be as big as wakeboarding or snowboarding because it is not as simple and accessible to your average human.....you gotta want it and you gotta work for it, it does not come after three days like snowboarding and you can't just buy the experience like a jetski.
Same situation with Freebording, ya gotta pay the price.
I got up on a wakeboard on my first pull....anybody can do it.
Anybody can step on a longboard and cruise in ten minutes so it has the potential for mass appeal.
Jetskis are massively popular because even your grandma and your little sister can do it.
Please stop explaining how a Freebord works............we all know this information.
Freebords do not carve like a snowboard or a longboard, they skid sideways... that is not how I snowboard and not what carving on a longboard is about.
Real carving is digging an edge or wheel and carving hard turns, not what a Freboard is about.
Let's not get back into that conversation, we have had that one here twenty times before.
A Freebord has the ability to skid sideways to a stop just like a snowboard but does not have the ability to rail hard like a snowboard or longboard.
A longboard has the ability to carve super hard and can still drift corners like a snowbord and speed check like a snowboard.
Longboard speedboarding is a lot closer to snowboarding than the surfing that it was created to mimic, in my opinion.
A Freeboard is really cool and I give lots of credit to those that rip on them just like those that rip on a longboard but they are not a revolution and are more limited than a longboard and do not have mass appeal.
But I think they are cool and I'm glad they are a revelation for you.
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Wait, we agree on something......... OH #### I used the same face. uh uh uh There that's better.
Ben,
We probably agree on a lot of stuff.
I got married young, I had kids young.
I am often cranky and disagree just for sport.
I love board sports.
It bugs me when people flaunt ignorance and stupidity.
I am of above average intelligence.
Does any of this sound like you?
I have far less skating experience than you though.
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this is a friend of mine who lives in southern oregon. i really enjoy his style of freebord.... others really not so much
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Okay, let me try this again.
First of all snowboarding is not 50 years old, that would have been 1958, the year I was born, Jake Burton is my age so snowboarding is closer to 30 years old.
Skateboarding was around before snowboarding but it is not 50 years old either.
Freebording is an offshoot of skateboarding, longboarding, snowboarding.
The people that are gonna ever ride a Freebord are a small percentage of board oriented people that are willing to go through the learning curve, which is painful and will limit the sport to young men primarily.
It will never explode like snowboarding or a jetski, for that reason.....sorry.
Most (95 or more percent?) people that will pick up a Freebord are snowboarders or skateboarders and lots and lots of 'em know what a Freebord is.
In this marketplace, ten years is not infancy, the Freebord has had ten years to explode and it is not happening.
I think it is a better hybrid than a Flowboard but so is a Dirtsurfer, a Tierney board, and a Carveboard as examples.
They are the fringe of board sports and will get some followers but will not explode for several reasons.
I own most of these items, have tried them all, have helped market a few of them and have thought a lot about why or why not they are a mass appeal item.
I kiteboard, how many people do you think kiteboard as opposed to Freebord?...lots and lots more but it is still a fringe sport.
How long has kiteboarding been in existence?.... about twelve years.
The Freebord has had ten years to explode in this marketplace and guess what?
Kiteboarding will not be as big as wakeboarding or snowboarding because it is not as simple and accessible to your average human.....you gotta want it and you gotta work for it, it does not come after three days like snowboarding and you can't just buy the experience like a jetski.
Same situation with Freebording, ya gotta pay the price.
I got up on a wakeboard on my first pull....anybody can do it.
Anybody can step on a longboard and cruise in ten minutes so it has the potential for mass appeal.
Jetskis are massively popular because even your grandma and your little sister can do it.
Please stop explaining how a Freebord works............we all know this information.
Freebords do not carve like a snowboard or a longboard, they skid sideways... that is not how I snowboard and not what carving on a longboard is about.
Real carving is digging an edge or wheel and carving hard turns, not what a Freboard is about.
Let's not get back into that conversation, we have had that one here twenty times before.
A Freebord has the ability to skid sideways to a stop just like a snowboard but does not have the ability to rail hard like a snowboard or longboard.
A longboard has the ability to carve super hard and can still drift corners like a snowbord and speed check like a snowboard.
Longboard speedboarding is a lot closer to snowboarding than the surfing that it was created to mimic, in my opinion.
A Freeboard is really cool and I give lots of credit to those that rip on them just like those that rip on a longboard but they are not a revolution and are more limited than a longboard and do not have mass appeal.
But I think they are cool and I'm glad they are a revelation for you.
^^^^^thread, case closed
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Okay, let me try this again.
First of all snowboarding is not 50 years old, that would have been 1958, the year I was born, Jake Burton is my age so snowboarding is closer to 30 years old.
Skateboarding was around before snowboarding but it is not 50 years old either.
Freebording is an offshoot of skateboarding, longboarding, snowboarding.
The people that are gonna ever ride a Freebord are a small percentage of board oriented people that are willing to go through the learning curve, which is painful and will limit the sport to young men primarily.
It will never explode like snowboarding or a jetski, for that reason.....sorry.
Most (95 or more percent?) people that will pick up a Freebord are snowboarders or skateboarders and lots and lots of 'em know what a Freebord is.
In this marketplace, ten years is not infancy, the Freebord has had ten years to explode and it is not happening.
I think it is a better hybrid than a Flowboard but so is a Dirtsurfer, a Tierney board, and a Carveboard as examples.
They are the fringe of board sports and will get some followers but will not explode for several reasons.
I own most of these items, have tried them all, have helped market a few of them and have thought a lot about why or why not they are a mass appeal item.
I kiteboard, how many people do you think kiteboard as opposed to Freebord?...lots and lots more but it is still a fringe sport.
How long has kiteboarding been in existence?.... about twelve years.
The Freebord has had ten years to explode in this marketplace and guess what?
Kiteboarding will not be as big as wakeboarding or snowboarding because it is not as simple and accessible to your average human.....you gotta want it and you gotta work for it, it does not come after three days like snowboarding and you can't just buy the experience like a jetski.
Same situation with Freebording, ya gotta pay the price.
I got up on a wakeboard on my first pull....anybody can do it.
Anybody can step on a longboard and cruise in ten minutes so it has the potential for mass appeal.
Jetskis are massively popular because even your grandma and your little sister can do it.
Please stop explaining how a Freebord works............we all know this information.
Freebords do not carve like a snowboard or a longboard, they skid sideways... that is not how I snowboard and not what carving on a longboard is about.
Real carving is digging an edge or wheel and carving hard turns, not what a Freboard is about.
Let's not get back into that conversation, we have had that one here twenty times before.
A Freebord has the ability to skid sideways to a stop just like a snowboard but does not have the ability to rail hard like a snowboard or longboard.
A longboard has the ability to carve super hard and can still drift corners like a snowbord and speed check like a snowboard.
Longboard speedboarding is a lot closer to snowboarding than the surfing that it was created to mimic, in my opinion.
A Freeboard is really cool and I give lots of credit to those that rip on them just like those that rip on a longboard but they are not a revolution and are more limited than a longboard and do not have mass appeal.
But I think they are cool and I'm glad they are a revelation for you.
its a shame how wrong you are and how confident you are in yourself. Your views on a sport being into the market place for less than ten years make it "old" is ridiculous. If you ever read about the history of snowboarding experts estimate it could have gone back more than 50 years and took more than 20 years to blow up. Also your right about the sport is mostly young men but I don't see to many old ladies on longboards either. If you think a longboard rides more like a snowboard than your beyond help, all you have to do is click on any one of the videos I posted to see that statement is crazy talk. Your comparisons to other sports are comical at best. Everything you named required much more than a freebord requires. Wake boards require a lake and a boat which not many people have. Jet Skis are expensive and also require a place to ride them. Even snowboarding requires driving to a resort and paying for a lift ticket. All a freebord requires is paved roads and the desire to learn. Which is much more "simple and accessible to your average human" as you put it. Yea the learning curve is steep but it's worth it. If you going to make fun of something at least do it intelligently
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its a shame how wrong you are and how confident you are in yourself. Your views on a sport being into the market place for less than ten years make it "old" is ridiculous. If you ever read about the history of snowboarding experts estimate it could have gone back more than 50 years and took more than 20 years to blow up. Also your right about the sport is mostly young men but I don't see to many old ladies on longboards either. If you think a longboard rides more like a snowboard than your beyond help, all you have to do is click on any one of the videos I posted to see that statement is crazy talk. Your comparisons to other sports are comical at best. Everything you named required much more than a freebord requires. Wake boards require a lake and a boat which not many people have. Jet Skis are expensive and also require a place to ride them. Even snowboarding requires driving to a resort and paying for a lift ticket. All a freebord requires is paved roads and the desire to learn. Which is much more "simple and accessible to your average human" as you put it. Yea the learning curve is steep but it's worth it. If you going to make fun of something at least do it intelligently
He's not making fun of it you dolt, he's trying (much more politely than you deserve) to explain to you how your perception is whack right now. Take a step back and look at yourself from our perspective... maybe re-read this thread from the start and take careful note of the fact that you are on a longboading forum right now. Reconsider why you are here and what you are trying to accomplish. What is it? Why do you think I posted that picture at the top of page 2? Do you get it now?
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its a shame how wrong you are and how confident you are in yourself. Your views on a sport being into the market place for less than ten years make it "old" is ridiculous. If you ever read about the history of snowboarding experts estimate it could have gone back more than 50 years and took more than 20 years to blow up. Also your right about the sport is mostly young men but I don't see to many old ladies on longboards either. If you think a longboard rides more like a snowboard than your beyond help, all you have to do is click on any one of the videos I posted to see that statement is crazy talk. Your comparisons to other sports are comical at best. Everything you named required much more than a freebord requires. Wake boards require a lake and a boat which not many people have. Jet Skis are expensive and also require a place to ride them. Even snowboarding requires driving to a resort and paying for a lift ticket. All a freebord requires is paved roads and the desire to learn. Which is much more "simple and accessible to your average human" as you put it. Yea the learning curve is steep but it's worth it. If you going to make fun of something at least do it intelligently
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I figured some people would think its dumb just as tons of skiers thought snowboards were dumb. But I also knew some people got into longboarding so they could ride some type of board during summer when they couldnt snowboard so I guess this is more focused toward them.

As for braking you can brake just like a snowboard either in a slide or completely sideways if you really need to cut off speed. Longboards you have to foot brake or hand slide or if your really good do a stand up slide, which I believe like 1% of longboarders can do. I seem to find two groups of longboarders in my travels. One type is cool, open minded and want to know about the freebord and just chill. The other type jus like to hate on freebords and try to talk sh** about freebords. It's funny because the second type usually has never ridden their longboard over 20mph and just use it as transportation. I'm hoping to find some of the cool, open minded type but I don't mind the haters especially since most people who hate on freebords can't ride half the hills I can

@ Hanael a freebord doesnt need to foot brake which is a lame way to stop anyway. If you really need to stop you can dig in like ur snowboard like this

YouTube - Freebord Emergency Stop

otherwise you can carve like on your snowboard
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i'd rather brake the lame way, or slide the lame way, rather than losing my life. it takes longer to break to stop on freebord. Do you think i've never go faster than 20mph?
also, as i said, i don't do snowboard, i hate snow.

i'll stick to my lame way of stopping, compared to your cool way.
well, too bad, you're helping to spread the hate, not the stoke. i even dislike it more now. good job dude.

After you said about your stuff, i checked around teh 'webz, and i don't really like the idea that i can't extensively mod the setup, unlike longboards. Why is this important, because i can't afford to do it on my car.

we'll be waiting for your next international freebord downhill race.
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its a shame how wrong you are and how confident you are in yourself. Your views on a sport being into the market place for less than ten years make it "old" is ridiculous. If you ever read about the history of snowboarding experts estimate it could have gone back more than 50 years and took more than 20 years to blow up. Also your right about the sport is mostly young men but I don't see to many old ladies on longboards either. If you think a longboard rides more like a snowboard than your beyond help, all you have to do is click on any one of the videos I posted to see that statement is crazy talk. Your comparisons to other sports are comical at best. Everything you named required much more than a freebord requires. Wake boards require a lake and a boat which not many people have. Jet Skis are expensive and also require a place to ride them. Even snowboarding requires driving to a resort and paying for a lift ticket. All a freebord requires is paved roads and the desire to learn. Which is much more "simple and accessible to your average human" as you put it. Yea the learning curve is steep but it's worth it. If you going to make fun of something at least do it intelligently
OK, I was polite enough to you before, but you wanna keep bashing at the gates.
So you wanna play with the gloves off, you little sh!t?
I'm not wrong and I am not making fun of anything, you fool, I was trying to help you which you certainly appear to need, you are not convincing anyone of anything here.
I understand, far better than you seem to dumbass, what a Freebord is good for, as a marketable product.
I spent some time trying to help market the Dirtsurfer a number of years ago, so as I said before, I've been there.
I am at least as intelligent as most and certainly more than you, I know how to listen, I can read a persons tone in their writing, neither of which you appear to be good at.
I don't have to read about the history of snowboarding, like I said before, I was there.
I am 50 years old, I lived in western New York for 37 years (1958 to 1996) and have been snow boarding since my two grown children (both older than you) were just little kids.
Your snowboarding "experts" are full of sh!t and are stretching the sh!t out of the truth or just don't know what they are talking about.
I did not say the sport of Freebording was old. I said it has had a relatively long time to mature given the fact that it's audience is familiar with board sports and has had a long chance to embrace it and it still has not blown up quickly.
Did you not understand this explanation?
To futher explain it again because you are a little slow.
Kiteboarding came along out of nowhere the same time Freeboarding did and it is huge in comparison.
But it is still a fringe sport because it takes time and effort to learn just like Freeboarding.
Did you not understand that?
The other sports I talked about are popular because any assshole can do them. They don't require much talent and determination and pain tolerance to learn to do.
It is far easier for people to jetski than to kiteboard or Freebord because you can buy your way into the sport, you still don't see why that puts a barrier up for a Freebord being hugely popular?
If not, you are likely inexperienced as to what the general public wants and possibly you are just stupid.
Big numbers of people want a thrill that is easy and safe.
Way more jetskis are sold every year than Freebords or kiteboards.
Way more wakeboards are sold every year than longboards, Freebords, and kiteboards combined.
Way more snowboards are sold each year than all of the above.
Do you not understand those concepts?
I know of loads of old men and women who longboard, speedboard and slalom skate and race.
If you need names I can give you tons of them on this forum alone.
Where you make your mistake is your assumption of peoples desire to learn something that takes effort.
Anything that takes a lot of effort and involves pain does not attract the masses, it attracts mostly young, fit men/women with talent and determination.
A longboard rides more like the way I snowboard, I snowboard with hard boots and on a race board.
I rail on a snowboard, I never skid my turns, maybe you do, but that's called crappy snowboarding in my circle.
If you wanna see longboarders who rail and carve like a good snowboard racer I can show you hundreds of pieces of film by the riders on this forum.
I did not make fun of the Freebord, I said several times it was cool and I said that the guys who ride them well are to be respected.
You, on the other hand, have lost my respect.
I tried but you are too dumb to pay attention and learn.

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