help!

**chickenkatsu** · 11-20-2009 08:48 PM

what do you guys think should i get a bustin strike or an apex 37.. i want a bustin strike cause you can customize it much more then the apex like design.. but the apex was the first board that got me really interested in longboarding..im wondering if the bustin strike would be something like the apex??

**dbq1928** · 11-20-2009 09:07 PM

If I had to choose between the two I would choose Bustin. I am sorry but Original sucks.

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**jay cagney** · 11-20-2009 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by dbq1928

I am sorry but Original sucks.

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i am sorry but you are wrong

**killdozer** · 11-20-2009 09:18 PM

I would get the Original. I love to carve. Those trucks are insane!

**zooblast** · 11-20-2009 09:20 PM

I own both, however I do love my Strike. and my Original most
certainly does not suck. Strike is a great cruzer.

Zoo

**chickenkatsu** · 11-20-2009 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by zooblast

I own both, however I do love my Strike. and my Original most
certainly does not suck. Strike is a great cruzer.

Zoo

hey zoo,
is the strike and the original pretty much alike? i seen videos and the apex has a lot of flex and a super curvy feeling right? does the strike feel the same??

**JFKWasShot** · 11-20-2009 10:40 PM

I'm interested in the Strike too and have a few questions. How does it handle high speed ( wobbles? ) and if you've rid it with seismic trucks and how the ride was? Sorry if these questions don't make sense, I'm new to longboarding.

**chickenkatsu** · 11-20-2009 11:39 PM

yes i would like to know that too.. cause first i plan to just cruise and carve, flatland stuff.. then when i get comfortable i hope to step up to medium hills and stuff bombing is last on my list.. i want to do free stuff

**chickenkatsu** · 11-20-2009 11:42 PM

and i was just wondering if the strike was pretty much the same as an apex maybe some diffs.. so giving info/experiences on the boards would be greatly appreciated

**mcpenguin** · 11-20-2009 11:44 PM

these two boards are significantly different styles of riding. the apex is almost only for carving and dancing and what not, but cannot handle hills. (its great at doing what it does) However the strike does the same things but has this unique feeling when using it for downhill. it is weird cuz its so alive when going slower but then its like super stable and its just weird feeling cuz there is no board lean just turn. This testing was done running bear 842s on the strike, but no actual testing for the apex. Overall i recomend the strike cuz it can still carve, dance, etc. but it still is great for downhill (kinda)

**killdozer** · 11-21-2009 01:21 AM

OK, something not making sense here.

Originally Posted by mcpenguin

these two boards are significantly different styles of riding. the apex is almost only for carving and dancing and what not, but cannot handle hills.

The Apex is a flexy carver. It can handle the biggest and steepest hills you can find. It just not made for bombing in a straight line. It's made for carving. With original trucks it's not gonna be that stable for dancing either. But that comes more down to your own abilities. Also the Apex is a top mount board. The Strike on the other hand is a completely different board. It's a drop through truck mount and is not very flexy at all. It's a bit lower to the ground as well. It will have more drift in the corners whereas the Apex was built to grip more. Also they have different wheelbases as well. The Apex as a complete uses Original trucks which in their own right are night and day different than a reverse kingpin truck that you will find on a Bustin. Either way, don't listen about not being able to ride hills with either one. Just because a board is flexy doesn't mean you can't ride hills. I ride bigger hills on my Dervish than I do on my DH board, however I carve Vs. bomb. In fact hills are more fun to carve than just hit in a straight line unless it's a really long run. Do some more research.

**zooblast** · 11-21-2009 01:51 AM

I agree with Killdozer, the boards are very different styles. that said I have taken both
DH and through garages I personally like the way my Strke feels DH although I have
changed out the bushings. the Apex was a very crisp board out of the box but not
in my opinion not the best for bombing like has been stated but carves deep.

for the money the Strike is a good sound choice and has many applications.

this is just my 2 cents and does not mean a damn thing. Im not a DR and I dont
play one on TV.

if you have any other questions that dont get answered drop me a line and I will do
my best.

Zoo

**chickenkatsu** · 11-21-2009 02:03 AM

hey soo ok now with that info.. i think i would like a flexier board... i dont think this belongs to the right thread but it would make it easier... my first choice was the apex from the beginning of my interest in longboarding.. i need help in choosing trucks wheels and bearings.. for bearings i heard just choosing the bones red or whatever s good cause its cheap and works just fine... trucks and wheels i still have trouble grasping.. like the duro and idk just hit me up hahaa thanks you guys are awesome!

**killdozer** · 11-21-2009 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by chickenkatsu

hey soo ok now with that info.. i think i would like a flexier board... i dont think this belongs to the right thread but it would make it easier... my first choice was the apex from the beginning of my interest in longboarding.. i need help in choosing trucks wheels and bearings.. for bearings i heard just choosing the bones red or whatever s good cause its cheap and works just fine... trucks and wheels i still have trouble grasping.. like the duro and idk just hit me up hahaa thanks you guys are awesome!

If your getting an Original board why not get Original trucks? You can just get the complete from Original. It's a really cool setup. As far as bearings go? Just get Redz they are great and don't cost too much. If you are looking at other boards then yeah there are other combos you can look at.

**chickenkatsu** · 11-21-2009 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by killdozer

If your getting an Original board why not get Original trucks? You can just get the complete from Original. It's a really cool setup. As far as bearings go? Just get Redz they are great and don't cost too much. If you are looking at other boards then yeah there are other combos you can look at.

oh yea.. me duh.. ha what about the wheels?? i think zigzag 70mm 80a or something like that or could you tell me the differences on wheels like whats for what.. that would help

**killdozer** · 11-21-2009 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by chickenkatsu

oh yea.. me duh.. ha what about the wheels?? i think zigzag 70mm 80a or something like that or could you tell me the differences on wheels like whats for what.. that would help

Sure, in basic forms you have to look at a few things. Durometer is the measure of how hard the wheel is. The higher the number, the harder the wheel. Harder wheels are easier to slide. 78a and 80a are on the soft side. They can be slid but are better for carving due to grip characteristics. However the build of the wheel has a lot to do with it. You can have a really soft wheel but if the core is large then you have less urethane depth which will make it easier to slide Vs. a soft wheel with a smaller core and more urethane to create grip and rebound as well as soak up bad pavement. Also, you have square lipped wheels as well as round lipped wheels. Squared lip wheels are better for hard carving as well as hard cornering in down hill riding. They can be slid but usually need more break in time to get them to slide. Round lipped wheels are easier to slide because the lip doesn't aid in gripping. Of course you also have the wheel width to look at. Wider wheels grip better, usually. Different companies use different urethane makeups as well. You can have 2 wheels with similar builds in the same durometer from different companies and one wheel may roll faster or slide easier due to the makeup of the wheel. So trying a few different types when you can always helps you find out what you prefer. Zig Zags are great wheels for carving and downhill riding. Once broken in they will slide. They have a lot of grip though depending on the durometer. Oh, and harder wheels usually roll faster however ride a little rougher. Softer wheels will have a more plush ride and are sometimes slower. Lastly is wheel size. Using 72mm as a middle ground, smaller wheels will accelerate faster. Larger wheels will hold an overall higher top speed and accelerate slower. Of course a lot of this is preference with some added mad science that you may or may not notice depending on your skill level. Over time you'll get to know all the little differences as you ride more types of wheels.

**Silverskater145** · 11-21-2009 06:04 AM

Originally Posted by chickenkatsu

oh yea.. me duh.. ha what about the wheels?? i think zigzag 70mm 80a or something like that or could you tell me the differences on wheels like whats for what.. that would help

Great info from Killdozer, he's right on the money.

The Zigzags 70mm 80a (limes) are on my own Apex 37. They work great, and are just about perfect for the board. Sliding is easy with them. Ride for a day or two and soon after you can start speed checking no problem. Doing coleman slides could never be easier.

YouTube - Apex 37 Longboard Review

Brian Bishop is Original's team rider/friend. He's also registered here on SL. He almost exclusively rides the Apex 37. You can see halfway into the video he starts sliding the board like crazy with ease. He's using the same wheels we're speaking of and even recommends 'em.

**VBoards** · 11-21-2009 08:26 AM

haha that was a sick video. that guy has the craziest riding style ever. its like a lactose intolerent person eating chocolate, it just doesnt look right but he killls it.