The Larry VS The Logan

[Understanding In a Crash]

And by the title... Gravity Larry Bertlemann 33'' vs. Gravity Logan Cruiser 36''. This is what I've narrowed my Christmas list down too and really feel like I can go either way. I wanted a board that was under 38'' and a topmount for a change of scenery and a different way to ride around the campus.

I can tell you that I said in the previous post that LI doesn't have the prettiest, smoothest, even'ist? concrete so having a stable ride is quite important so I don't have to eat #### at low speeds often. I get away with 75mm Retro Bigzigs Lime (80a) with alot more stuff then I should. I probably would press the envelope on either Gravity to 70mm wheels. Does one handle this better?

Also it seems to be that the LB33 has no flex and the Logan Cruiser has moderate amount of flex. I'm only 130 lbs and is the no flex going to really make riding on cracked sidewalks and roads a terror where I'd want to go with the Logan Cruiser? This seems to be the biggest difference. Is having that much flex going to hurt doing basic tricks and dropping off of curbs? I think that basically sums it up... I'm looking at bennet/indy trucks for each and prob abec or seismic wheels if that changes anything.

[WillJ]

Originally Posted by Understanding In a Crash

And by the title... Gravity Larry Bertlemann 33'' vs. Gravity Logan Cruiser 36''. This is what I've narrowed my Christmas list down too and really feel like I can go either way. I wanted a board that was under 38'' and a topmount for a change of scenery and a different way to ride around the campus.

I can tell you that I said in the previous post that LI doesn't have the prettiest, smoothest, even'ist? concrete so having a stable ride is quite important so I don't have to eat #### at low speeds often. I get away with 75mm Retro Bigzigs Lime (80a) with alot more stuff then I should. I probably would press the envelope on either Gravity to 70mm wheels. Does one handle this better?

Also it seems to be that the LB33 has no flex and the Logan Cruiser has moderate amount of flex. I'm only 130 lbs and is the no flex going to really make riding on cracked sidewalks and roads a terror where I'd want to go with the Logan Cruiser? This seems to be the biggest difference. Is having that much flex going to hurt doing basic tricks and dropping off of curbs? I think that basically sums it up... I'm looking at bennet/indy trucks for each and prob abec or seismic wheels if that changes anything.

at your weight, neither one of those decks are going to flex.

and good plush wheels like the Gravity Burners will do much more to soak up cracks than a flexy deck

both are great, indy's will work wonderful with either of them, stay under 66mm in wheel size, and you'll be happier than a pig in a mud pit

[Understanding In a Crash]

Originally Posted by WillJ

at your weight, neither one of those decks are going to flex.

and good plush wheels like the Gravity Burners will do much more to soak up cracks than a flexy deck

both are great, indy's will work wonderful with either of them, stay under 66mm in wheel size, and you'll be happier than a pig in a mud pit

My weight was in question but I know alot of people say that the logan cruiser has a nice flex to it. I feel like without flex options that most typical boards aren't going to have much for a 130lb string bean.

On either of these boards I'm pretty set on something that could survive on flatland and pump like a mofo. 150mm 6.0 Bennets or 149 indys unless someone could sway me to go with the trackers...

Wheel wise I'm pretty open but I've def been looking into the 69mm seismic hotspots 66mm EW road rages.

[WillJ]

Originally Posted by Understanding In a Crash

My weight was in question but I know alot of people say that the logan cruiser has a nice flex to it. I feel like without flex options that most typical boards aren't going to have much for a 130lb string bean.

On either of these boards I'm pretty set on something that could survive on flatland and pump like a mofo. 150mm 6.0 Bennets or 149 indys unless someone could sway me to go with the trackers...

Wheel wise I'm pretty open but I've def been looking into the 69mm seismic hotspots 66mm EW road rages.

the logan cruiser barely flexes at all under my 180ish lbs. Honestly, a board like it should be pretty solid, flexy boards are soooo overrated

personally, i'd go with the Indy's if for no other reason than being able to nice long slappys. Either one should line up with the wheel wells though. I'd keep the wheels to 66mm or smaller to keep it lower, lighter, and easier to push and hop up curbs with

[Fluere]

I can't speak for the Larry, but my Logan cruiser sees more ride time than any other longboard I've ever owned. It's so perfect in so many ways. It's quite stiff under my 160 pounds, which at first I took as a turn off, but it's perfect for tricks of all different types. I slide it, manual, carve, pump, etc. with it. Easily one of my favorite longboards ever made.

[sniffleless]

I'm in the mood to lay down some info....so if I start telling you stuff you already know just gloss over it. So I shall begin....

Since both these boards have usable kick tails the stiffness is better. Yes a flexy board helps absorb road bumps and shock but the flex can kind of suck when using the kick tail. You can get a springy action from the board during kick turns that can suck. Being able to raise your front trucks over cracks kind of helps with the shocks and having the option to ollie really helps.

As for trucks. I am a die hard Indy guy from way back and I LOVE me some Bennetts but let me break it down. You will get the best turn with Bennetts but you increase your chances for wheel bite. Bennetts dive real deep. So you will either have to use higher risers or smaller wheels. Indy's have always turned great but the kingpin now days is way short. Yes you can switch them out but it requires some work. Trackers would work okay and are easier to swap kingpins on. I'd say go for the Race Tracks. Sounds like you are looking for a 150mm truck and you can get that in the Race Tracks. RTS in back and RTX in front. I'd say if you go Tracker to go ahead and upgrade to a little longer kingpin for increased turning and wedges (more on wedges latter.) If it were me I'd think about going for Aces. I've been riding some I got this summer and they are okay. Kind of split the difference between the Indy and the Bennetts for turning. They come with some nice soft bushings too. I hear they wear down fast if you are grinding cement though. Then there is always the Tracker RTS rear Bennett front combo. This combo works real well. Real well. You get a real stable back truck to leverage off of for kick turns and pumping and a super turning front for turns, carving and pumping. Either way you want to run the back truck tighter. When you use the kick tail to kick turn or wheelie or tail slide you increase the chance of wheel bite on the rear if you run the rear truck too loose.

If you are going with any of the trucks I mentioned you may want to consider wedging to improve truck performance. Dewedge the rear and wedge the front. This will help with steering and give you better leverage for your pump. If you run the Bennetts at the very least dewedge the rear about 10*. It will help the rear hold traction better. Wedging the front Bennett can be optional. Wedging the front will decrease wheel bite chance but increase the twitch factor. The magic number for wedging a Bennett front truck tends to be around 7* or so most slalom guys seem to believe.

Wheel size will be dependent on truck choice and how many riser pads you use. 63-66mm might be the way to go. If the terrain you are riding on is really as rough as you say go with as small a hub as possible. The more urethane you have the more shock absorption the wheel can give. The larger the hard plastic hub the more bumps you will feel. Zig Zagz or Hotspots are good choices. Although look around and see what you can find. A wheel with a smaller footprint and rounded edges could be fun on those boards and easier to slide. Powell/Bones make some nice wheels in the mid 80's duro in sizes up to the mid 60's in mm that could be nice on those boards. I think any wheel over 70mm is going to be bad for wheelbite and make you have to run the trucks tighter. A wheel with a smaller core can be very forgiving even in the low 60's mm range.

I have a friend that has a Bertlemann that he runs with Tracker darts and Retro Berts wheels. That has been a fun ride to play around on. Good to take to the corner store and back and also fun at the park too.

I hope that was helpful.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Originally Posted by sniffleless

I hope that was helpful.

WTF... this was one of the best informative posts I've ever read on this thread. It answers almost everything I questioned in making this thread since the combination of trucks/bearings/wheels seems infinity and beyond. I'm almost speechless to the fact I have no more questions.

I really only have to ask how high off the ground the Bertlemann/Cruiser and if its easy to push. This thread has had some incredible replies and I appreciate everyones input.

[urbanasultvehicleuav]

red burners+logan+wedged bennet 6.0= sex on a hot bun

[Understanding In a Crash]

Originally Posted by sniffleless

If you are going with any of the trucks I mentioned you may want to consider wedging to improve truck performance. Dewedge the rear and wedge the front. This will help with steering and give you better leverage for your pump. If you run the Bennetts at the very least dewedge the rear about 10*. It will help the rear hold traction better. Wedging the front Bennett can be optional. Wedging the front will decrease wheel bite chance but increase the twitch factor. The magic number for wedging a Bennett front truck tends to be around 7* or so most slalom guys seem to believe.

Also what do the * mean after the numbers? I've never had to use wedges or risers before... I definitely will do anything to improve truck performance as long as the consequences aren't drastic. Money prob wont be an issue especially since these decks are so cheap.

[GrassDiver]

Logan needs wedged front and flat back if using Indy's

Bertlemann does not need wedging, front truck mount / board shape already puts front truck at an angle.

I run Indy 149's on both decks, 60mm OJIII's on LB33, 66mm Red ZigZags on Logan36.

Both Decks are rockered with very little concave, Logan flexes more than Bertlemann, but both have flex. If someone thinks these decks are stiff, then they are comparing to a real flexy longboard. Compared to a double kick popsicle (street/park deck), they are real soft, but makes for a cushy ride. I love em both, now just pick one dammit! he he

[sniffleless]

* is used for the degree symbol.
Glad I could be of help.

[Understanding In a Crash]

Originally Posted by sniffleless

* is used for the degree symbol.
Glad I could be of help.

Again I'm interested in the ace trucks but the only ones that seem really compatible are the Ace 66's? I'm def thinking about going to lower than 150mm trucks though nowadays. I'm sure when it's all said and done the board will RIP.