Post Your Crail Setup

**cilibird** · 08-23-2009 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by streetheap

A fixed kingpin (one that doesn't jiggle) typically makes a truck more responsive. Also, Crail pivot cups suck. A piece of 3/8" ID fuel hose or braided vinyl tubing will tighten up the pivot.

Bigger, softer bushings help with resposiveness too. The urethane helps fill in any "gaps" usually associated with the KP/hanger pivot area. If you feel you're too light for the Crail/Jimz combo, try some softer Eliminators. You might still lose a little lean, but you'll gain a little responsiveness.
Personal preference I guess. Some people still want the "surfier" feel....

would gluing the kingpin to the baseplate eliminate the jiggle? cause i can't find 0.001" shim stock that pigmoder suggested. i don't understand why the diameter for the kingpin hole seems to be a little bit bigger in crails than in randals though.

and yeah i slapped on some yellow elims on the bottom with barrels on top and it feels really good.

**Team RBN** · 08-23-2009 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by cilibird

would gluing the kingpin to the baseplate eliminate the jiggle? cause i can't find 0.001" shim stock that pigmoder suggested. i don't understand why the diameter for the kingpin hole seems to be a little bit bigger in crails than in randals though.

and yeah i slapped on some yellow elims on the bottom with barrels on top and it feels really good.

I am not sure what kind of tolerances kingpins have but regular bolts can vary quite
a bit. I have seen differences of .004 or more depending on the vendor.

You got me curious so I tore mine apart and used calipers to check some stuff.( I am a machinist with 15 years experience btw)

My stock Crail kingpin is right on .375", and the hole measures .380. Normal for US the hole would be .375 and the bolt would be smaller.

I have a hardware store 3/8-24 and it measures .370 which is pretty standard to be .003-
.005 under nominal size for bolts in USA. You can shim it like stated above, try to find a longer Crail kingpin, or have one custom made to fit tighter.

Edit: I took a sticker and wrapped around the hardware store bolt,(just one time with no overlap) and it still went in the base plate, it won't
hold up as good as shim stock but it should work for a while.

**streetheap** · 08-23-2009 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by cilibird

would gluing the kingpin to the baseplate eliminate the jiggle? cause i can't find 0.001" shim stock that pigmoder suggested. i don't understand why the diameter for the kingpin hole seems to be a little bit bigger in crails than in randals though.

and yeah i slapped on some yellow elims on the bottom with barrels on top and it feels really good.

I use gorilla glue up around the bolt head and let them sit for about a day. Honestly, I think it helps a lot to have affixed KPs.
If you ever buy any of the Randal 28, 50 or 60 degree luge plates directly from Randal, you'll see they come with the KPs glued in.
Glad you like the Elims. I think they're a great do it all bushing.

Originally Posted by Team RBN

I am not sure what kind of tolerances kingpins have but regular bolts can vary quite
a bit. I have seen differences of .004 or more depending on the vendor.

You got me curious so I tore mine apart and used calipers to check some stuff.( I am a machinist with 15 years experience btw)

My stock Crail kingpin is right on .375", and the hole measures .380. Normal for US the hole would be .375 and the bolt would be smaller.

I have a hardware store 3/8-24 and it measures .370 which is pretty standard to be .003-
.005 under nominal size for bolts in USA. You can shim it like stated above, try to find a longer Crail kingpin, or have one custom made to fit tighter.

I follow.....the Crail and Holey KPs seem to fit a bit tighter. Must be some non-SAE thing. Not sure on that.

**TitoBoy** · 11-21-2009 06:12 AM

Blue / Red Khiro Barrels
2.75'' Grade 8 KP
Flat washers
Home made 1/8ish riser
Purptang 75mm
EW MM
I'm 140 lbs.

**luftywaffles** · 11-27-2009 03:03 PM

Hey crail owners!

I just received a set today and it came with stock randal comp black bushings (88a)

I tried to throw in another barrel bushing, and a sabre cone, but they wouldn't fit.....how do you all fit your venom barrels and elims and such in their without changing the ride height? or is it just me?

when i put them in, it won't go into the bushing seat.

well I can't ride them anyways because no axle nuts and no kingpin nuts....

so yeah, any help would be appreciated.

**wardlarson** · 11-27-2009 03:11 PM

once you tighten them down they'll be fine.

**luftywaffles** · 11-27-2009 03:21 PM

Ok cool, thanks dude

i need to get me some axle nuts and kingpin nuts now lol

edit: I took off the hardware off of another setup to try out the crails. and jeez they are fantastic. I only rode them around really loose, and they carved like a dream. I'm gonna try to take them to speed as soon as i can.

**kgalb949** · 11-28-2009 10:59 AM

getting them up to speed feels amazing. you cant tell how amazing they are by just putting and pushing around on them. 'Cept wardlarson uses him on his freeride setup????

idk that muthafuka can shred balls so its coo'

**wardlarson** · 11-28-2009 01:06 PM

i use them with yellow venom barrels and white gullwing cones lol as loose as i can make them

for 55+mph i go with 93a/88a sabre barrels.

**stringtheory** · 11-28-2009 02:52 PM

I've used red Venom barrel/cone in Crails for freeriding and it's great. Currently I'm using Sabre purple double barrels in my Crails as loose as they can go before the KP starts getting sloppy....really fun set up.

**MNposterChild** · 12-01-2009 01:49 PM

so.....people are saying that crails are better for DH on a topmount rather than dropthru?

I ride a hellcat, DH, and asked my gf for crails for xmas. If crails work better on a topmount, shouldn't I be sticking with randall/paris' for my dropthru hellcat? I already ride randals on my hellcat, and am a little turned off by the kingpin design of crails (allenwrench instead of hexagonal? i believe), not to mention they're $21 more. And I like the idea of swapping in 35 degree baseplates on the randals or being able to flip the hanger.

biases aside, should I go with crails or randals? I was set on crails before, and definitely believe they are amazing trucks, but they sound like they may be more worth it for a topmount, and not as worth the money for a dropthru

really leaning toward randals, so either sway me or dont

**wardlarson** · 12-01-2009 03:19 PM

eh they're just trucks. i'd take 50 randals dropped through over crails dropped personally. 42/45 drifts more and doesn't turn enough

which is why i ride a topmount anyway. get what you think you'll want most.

**botofusup** · 12-01-2009 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by stringtheory

I've used red Venom barrel/cone in Crails for freeriding and it's great. Currently I'm using Sabre purple double barrels in my Crails as loose as they can go before the KP starts getting sloppy....really fun set up.

I moved my purple Sabres to my 42 Randals and put 90a/85a Paris barrels in my Crails. The Paris bushings are really stable and have a great return to center but I honestly miss the purple Sabres in there, they just worked so well. May have to see if the man in the red will hook me up with some more.

**icp23** · 12-10-2009 08:39 PM

Crails never worked for me until this setup with a nemesis:

85a venom elims bottoms w cupped washer
85a venom barrel tops w flat washer

stable at speed but agile enough to do stand ups at low speed. Symmetry is nice for freeride too.

170 pounds.

Yuss first post..

**stringtheory** · 12-11-2009 06:05 AM

Any of you Crail owners rode Sabre trucks yet? They seem to be very similar to Crails geometry. I'd love to see a comparo by some one who has actually used Crails extensively. I've been on Crails for years, but no one I know has Sabres. =/

**wardlarson** · 12-11-2009 10:11 AM

same here, quick someone send me sabres

**JohnW** · 12-11-2009 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by stringtheory

Any of you Crail owners rode Sabre trucks yet? They seem to be very similar to Crails geometry. I'd love to see a comparo by some one who has actually used Crails extensively. I've been on Crails for years, but no one I know has Sabres. =/

gorillabiscuts does

**ATL-IAN** · 12-21-2009 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by icp23

Crails never worked for me until this setup with a nemesis:

85a venom elims bottoms w cupped washer
85a venom barrel tops w flat washer

stable at speed but agile enough to do stand ups at low speed. Symmetry is nice for freeride too.

170 pounds.

Yuss first post..

is the cupped washer flipped??

i just switched to this setup almost exactly... im doing

sort of... im running the RED eliminator bottoms with flat washers

and then the yellow (85a) barrel tops with flat washers..

im sitting at 150lbs. i may try out the yellow elims soon though if i dont feel this setup..

NOTE: i absolutely hated the jimz w/ venom barrel combo.... the board felt like a dead stick..

so yeah, lemme know.. i was really concerned with putting a cupped washer on eliminators.. i felt like it might cut or dig into it.... but im scared that a flat washer might make the trucks a little stiff..

**muk_mb** · 12-21-2009 01:34 AM

I do sabres+crails on my hellcat for garages and such. It's pretty nice. I can turn pretty quickly without feeling like wobbles up to ~40mph (purple barrels all around).

**Squirrlyismyname** · 12-21-2009 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by ATL-IAN

is the cupped washer flipped??

i just switched to this setup almost exactly... im doing

sort of... im running the RED eliminator bottoms with flat washers

and then the yellow (85a) barrel tops with flat washers..

im sitting at 150lbs. i may try out the yellow elims soon though if i dont feel this setup..

NOTE: i absolutely hated the jimz w/ venom barrel combo.... the board felt like a dead stick..

so yeah, lemme know.. i was really concerned with putting a cupped washer on eliminators.. i felt like it might cut or dig into it.... but im scared that a flat washer might make the trucks a little stiff..

the cupped washers did cut into the eliminators i had on my crails.. i turned them into barrels... though it might just be a crappy pour because they did have air bubbles in them but yea... they cut into it......