Indy DH plate

[schmoose]

oh yeah do people get rail bite or anything if they are using a drop deck.
that would be helpful to know.

its looks like they would sit crazy low.

do you guys use risers?
I think this info would be benificial to all. . . .

[gabriel[abc]]

Originally Posted by streetheap

I've had these a few days and finally got to take them up in the 40s today. A few quick thoughts:

This is the first product I've ever received from Dave Cindrich, and his specs and finish are spot-on. The quality is on par with Jimz and Kooky plates, which are the tightest plates I've personally scrutinized. The construction really blew my mind.


Set up on a Voodoo XL with green Elims all around, Lemon Zigs/Cult Deathrays. (a little bit of wheelbite) The ride height is around 1/8"-3/16" lower than a standard Indy.

OK- I personally can't run this plate in front on this board without a wedge. I need a little more turn + a little less lean from the front for anything technical. I was a little too stable, and a little too tippy . Part of that is the fact that at my 220 lbs., and that wide of a board, I'm generating a shitload of leverage. The 17 degree dewedge feels like more than that (to me) on an Indy, which I knew going in, but wanted to try anyway. Now, as a rear truck, it is excellent. My favorite setup so far is a stock Indy in front with the Cindrich in the rear. If you are a rider who likes to run similar angles front and rear, you may want to wait for the 5* or 10* dewedged plates to come out. Or, if you run a smaller board/WB, or maybe just want a setup for sweepers/bombing, would be very cool. I'm gonna load my hangers with sphericals next, which will eliminate some of the lean. I'd also like to try these plates on my Alpine, which has a shorter wheelbase, and is much narrower.

I'm not going to compare them to any Randal-esque trucks because they really don't feel like that type of truck. They still roll over like Indys, even moreso now with the lower angle.

Nice work Dave, look forward to the 2 other models you have coming out, which I will be buying as well. Sweet.

nice review greg! gets me stoked for mine which should be coming in tonight according to ups. i only bought one as a rear that way i dont have to dewedge it and ride wide with all that unnecessary height... and plus i dont have 90 dollars

[upsetter]

This sucks. I got a staph infection in my leg from a slam I took on GMR last week. ####'s hitting me hard! I haven't gotten a chance to ride or set up the plates yet. Ahhhhhhh! Review will probably drop next week.

[streetheap]

Thanks, Gabe. Really not much of a review....I will say it's been my go to setup now for all my runs and has me rethinking my setups. I learned DH on 215s topmounted and it's kind of what feels most comfortable to me still. I think I've wore through my lowered decks/drifty phase. Maybe not. That's me just kidding....
I'm running 1/4" soft riser in the back and a piece of a shower curtain up front on my Voodoo XL. With 72mm wheels, I can static bite in the front, but not so much riding. I 'm currently running a stock Indy plate in front with a Charger KP, Green Elim bottom, black Bones Hardcore big cone cupped on top. Two green Elims on the rear Cindrich 0* KP plate with a flat washer up top, no bottom washer. I weigh 220.
Don't know if this has been covered here or not, but I've also found that Elims work much better in Indy hangers with the shorter step in the hanger. Seems to tighten stuff up a little more.
Bummer about your leathers cooties, Mercado. Hope that stuff clears up quickly and you get back on your board pronto.
Sounds good, Mr. Cindrich. Looking to score a couple of nickels off ya.

[GravityRider15]

Originally Posted by upsetter

This sucks. I got a staph infection in my leg from a slam I took on GMR last week. ####'s hitting me hard! I haven't gotten a chance to ride or set up the plates yet. Ahhhhhhh! Review will probably drop next week.

Let's hope that staph doesn't spread at maryhill (:

Btw, these indy kingpins you have, how much are they?

Can I pick up a set at fos?

[gabriel[abc]]

Originally Posted by streetheap

Thanks, Gabe. Really not much of a review....I will say it's been my go to setup now for all my runs and has me rethinking my setups. I learned DH on 215s topmounted and it's kind of what feels most comfortable to me still. I think I've wore through my lowered decks/drifty phase. Maybe not. That's me just kidding....
I'm running 1/4" soft riser in the back and a piece of a shower curtain up front on my Voodoo XL. With 72mm wheels, I can static bite in the front, but not so much riding. I 'm currently running a stock Indy plate in front with a Charger KP, Green Elim bottom, black Bones Hardcore big cone cupped on top. Two green Elims on the rear Cindrich 0* KP plate with a flat washer up top, no bottom washer. I weigh 220.
Don't know if this has been covered here or not, but I've also found that Elims work much better in Indy hangers with the shorter step in the hanger. Seems to tighten stuff up a little more.
Bummer about your leathers cooties, Mercado. Hope that stuff clears up quickly and you get back on your board pronto.
Sounds good, Mr. Cindrich. Looking to score a couple of nickels off ya.

good enough for me haha. mine actually came in this morning. roger bros dh36. 1/8th risers all around. front (reflex 92a barrell/ red elim) rear w/ cindrich plate (green elims).

[upsetter]

Streetheap - The lame part is I got Staph because I WASNT wearing leathers!

Gravity rider - they are 5 bones a pair. Ill have some at maryhill.

[karrot]

what about a HIGHER indy plate?

[partninjas]

The 0/90* ones are only 3/16ths lower than a stock Indy ATM. This shouldn't be enough to affect drop through decks. It's better to keep it lower and add risers so everyone can adjust as they want/need.

[streetheap]

Originally Posted by partninjas

The 0/90* ones are only 3/16ths lower than a stock Indy ATM. This shouldn't be enough to affect drop through decks. It's better to keep it lower and add risers so everyone can adjust as they want/need.

If I know K-rot he probably means "higher" angle.
I could be wrong though.

[speshlspeclsteak]

thats what i thought he meant. indy slalom plates ftw

[enemy combatant]

So with the vertical kingpin de-wedging the angle of the Indy 17 degrees, what does that make the pivot angle of the Indy truck?

[flannelman]

i haven't been able to really ride my set, cuz i am pretty sure i broke my big toe on my back foot (the bone that is on the top part of your foot that connects to that toe), so walking is painful enough. note to self: dont ninja hop down a 15 foot rock face during a Boy Scout Campfire... with an already injured toe. pushing and tucking... i just cant do. but as far as some casual cruising, i too have noticed the extra lean you get. i weigh around 270/280, but still like lose a hell trucks. i have them flush mounted on my Cindrich three piece, and they really dont shine on that deck. will try them on my friend's avenger, and try some different combos.

i dont get hanger bite, but with my size 13 feet, i get foot bite on the road on both heel and toeside tight turns. i will try some 90 elims on them eventually and see if that helps. my only thought is that even with harder bushings, you have a huge amount of leverage directly over the top of them, and so they will compress more. i am wondering it some more restrictive bushings seats would fix that. Heaps OG design basically had the bushing seat in the hanger, acting as a huge cup washer.

so i am been using it all around, and heaps has it acting as a back truck. i am going to try several other combos, even using inverted trucks with them. they work great except for the lean. once i use a different front truck angle, that should be fixed. they really deaden the turn very well, while still not feeling awkward in a turn. all i have taken them up to is in the hi tens, low twenties. they have an indy lean, but not that sort of twitch turn you usually have with indys. they feel good, though i need to adjust them more just for my personal preferences.

good night. i need to go to bed. 4:30 in the morning, and i still cant sleep. sigh*

Gabriel, how are those elims working for you with the plates?

[SteveC]

I'd be very intersted to try these on a mallard...

[streetheap]

Originally Posted by enemy combatant

So with the vertical kingpin de-wedging the angle of the Indy 17 degrees, what does that make the pivot angle of the Indy truck?

That's a good question.
I've found that the way these things turn is a lot more sensitive to bushing duro/truck tightness/interface slop than, say a 50 degree Randal or even a normal Indy plate. I think this is probably pretty common to lower angle trucks, but even moreso with this one it seems. The lower the angle, truck slop will compound exponentially (and if you think about it, when you tighten your trucks, you're not only pre-loading your bushings, but decreasing slop around the KP pivot as well). With green Eliminators all around, I can still lean it pretty good, but the turn is not nearly as resposive or twitchy as it is with Jimz in the bottoms, and the green Elims up top. I hope I'm making sense.
So far, I've found the way to get the most response out of them (which I later found out Mercado does as well) is to run a big soft bushing in the bottom, and then a harder smaller bushing up top, particularly one that is designed to fit an Indy, like a black Bones Hardcore. If you want to gain some lean but still have some twitch, a standard set of Bones Hardcores make Indys respond better than anything I've ever tried over the years. They really are a keen fit. You may want to run the bigger bottom cones all around to avoid maxing out your lean, though.
So to answer your question, I'm not sure. The thing is, Indys always seemed to be a bit more sensitive to wedging than a truck with perpendicular interfaces. If I was going to guess, I'd say dewedging an Indy 17* puts the lean/turn ratio somewhere in the 35-45* range of a Randal style truck (which don't all have the same lean to turn ratios anyway ), depending on bushings. I know that is a pretty big disparity between angles, but the bushing fit really does make a huge difference.
Clear as mud.

@ Steve: You'll be seeing these in Tasmania ( I have a feeling).

[melifont monk]

we will....? nice.

*needs to buy 215 hangars...*

[rodgon]

someone should make hangers as well.

its impossible to find just hangers for indies. i know i would buy some.

[Shift]

Originally Posted by rodgon

someone should make hangers as well.

its impossible to find just hangers for indies. i know i would buy some.

I would buy some if they looked sick and were less than a hundred a pair.

[Mile_High_Mark]

Originally Posted by rodgon

someone should make hangers as well.

its impossible to find just hangers for indies. i know i would buy some.

CNC'd hangers would cost a hell of a lot more than a complete pair of 215s.

[phil7153]

Originally Posted by Mile_High_Mark

CNC'd hangers would cost a hell of a lot more than a complete pair of 215s.

Truth... $45 or about $60 just for material. hmmm