Indy DH plate

**dozerdoggie** · 08-07-2009 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by snozzboarder55

i say dewedge it, it will give you more lean which translates to pushing the deck sideways. wedging will increase the amount of turn the trucks are capable of, so it will grip easier.

I put the tall side of the wedge tword the middle of the deck the low side on the front and rear8)

**snozzboarder55** · 08-07-2009 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by dozerdoggie

I put the tall side of the wedge tword the middle of the deck the low side on the front and rear8)

ya for carviness definitely do what you are doing dozer and wedge them. but for Petary, its easier to slide when you limit the amount of turn a truck has by dewedging them.

**dozerdoggie** · 08-07-2009 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by snozzboarder55

ya for carviness definitely do what you are doing dozer and wedge them. but for Petary, its easier to slide when you limit the amount of turn a truck has by dewedging them.

This is my first crack at indys i got a few sets and am playing around with the cindrich plates on a crappy deck

**snozzboarder55** · 08-07-2009 08:09 PM

dialing in indys is too much fun. i've had them for a few months and still have a blast changing things up.

**dozerdoggie** · 08-07-2009 08:11 PM

**enemy combatant** · 08-07-2009 08:17 PM

Nice t... uhmm.... trucks!

**Petary791** · 08-07-2009 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by snozzboarder55

i say dewedge it, it will give you more lean which translates to pushing the deck sideways. wedging will increase the amount of turn the trucks are capable of, so it will grip easier.

But if you turn more you can throw into a slide more, no? I wedged it 3º up front and raised it 1/4" and took off the soft dewedge in the back and added 7º dewedge + 1/4" riser. Maybe I'll turn the 3º around if you're right. What about dewedging and adding softer bushings? Right now I have a very progressive leany setup which is great when trying to prevent wheelbite but I'd like to squeeze some quicker turn out if possible.

**lfatboy** · 08-07-2009 09:03 PM

**Petary791** · 08-07-2009 09:06 PM

EXACTLY, what's what I mean. Somebody told me that wedging will prevent wheelbite, which is the answer I was looking for. Plus I added risers. But I really need to find that yellow barrel I had...

**snozzboarder55** · 08-07-2009 09:07 PM

**Petary791** · 08-07-2009 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by dozerdoggie

I put the tall side of the wedge tword the middle of the deck the low side on the front and rear8)

By the way, that completely defeats the purpose of these. If you're going to wedge these why not just run stock Indy plates?

Originally Posted by snozzboarder55

more turn provides a bit more grip so i dont think it will slide out easier. i ran my indys with eliminator bottoms so it just tipped over and then turned, not very progressive. when i switched out barrels instead of elims and took out a bit of the dewedge it gripped much better, still slid fine but the added grip was noticeable.

my suggestion is tinker with it and go with what you want. indys are my absolute favorite truck to tinker with, there are so many things to mess with and the slightest adjustment changes the ride. let us know what you do and how it works.

And that just makes no sense to me. If you can turn quicker you can whip out a slide easier. If it turns slower it's got less "flicking" motion if you will. Oh well.

**FlyingDutchman** · 08-07-2009 09:22 PM

Both arguments are correct, the question is which one has a bigger effect. If you are trying to slide with grippy wheels that have a square back lip, getting them at an angle to the forces (more turn) is going to have a greater effect on how easy they are to slide than a round lipped wheel, which will want to slide with even the slightest force perpendicular to the rolling direction. But having more turn means less lean, so that means less force in the direction that is making them want to slide. If you are using round lipped wheels meant for driting and sliding, as opposed to grippy slalom shaped wheels, getting more lean is probably going to have a bigger effect on how easily they slide than getting the wheels turned more towards the direction of the force will. When using grippy slalom wheels, I find that having them turned more in the direction of the force has a greater effect than the additional lean does, so a lower lean to steer ratio is better in that case.

Maybe I'm just imagining it, though.

**Rich Nelson** · 08-07-2009 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Petary791

And that just makes no sense to me. If you can turn quicker you can whip out a slide easier. If it turns slower it's got less "flicking" motion if you will. Oh well.

i agree, with a quicker turning truck your momentum will still be carrying you forward when your board turns, as opposed to a lower angled truck where you cant turn quite as quickly.

i understand that more lean means you get a bit more lateral force on the wheels, but once you get down the whole unweighting/kicking the deck out i don't think it matters much.

**lfatboy** · 08-07-2009 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by Petary791

By the way, that completely defeats the purpose of these. If you're going to wedge these why not just run stock Indy plates?

'Cuz dey BALLAH

**Petary791** · 08-07-2009 09:39 PM

So lean is dewedge, so wedging with the same bushing will cause more drift is what you're saying? Good.

**streetheap** · 08-07-2009 10:16 PM

My feeling on the whole grip/turn/slide thing with Indys is.....
1) A lot of it depends on wheels, as VanDutchie was saying.
2) You have your rear dewedged, it may also not break into a slide as easily, but when it does break loose, it slides more, IME.
3) There also seems to be bushing variables. Some bushings fit better and make the trucks a little more twitchy, but better hookup (less slop). Bones hardcores and some of the other cones with bevels and also that ever so slight dome on the bottom really tighten things up.
4) I'm kind of a hillbilly.
5) Mercado could probably answer these things better, since he seems to DH them better than anyone I've seen in a very long time, maybe ever.

To reiterate: these Cindrich 0* KP plates are dewedged 17* from a standard Indy plate. With a 1/2" wedge, you're still dewedged 10* from a stock Indy. These Cindrichs are also about 3/16" lower than an Indy. So even with the wedge, you're still pretty low. Good job Dozer !

**upsetter** · 08-07-2009 11:57 PM

Wow I haven't checked out this thread since I posted my video. Lots to catch up on.

To answer a few question or give some insight here we go.

Someone asked about my risers/wedging in the video - The run I took in the video was actually the very first time I tried the plates. I used a 1/2 inch riser in the back for clearance and wedged the front to match what I usually run de-wedged. My wheelbase was 28'. It felt dope however it felt like a boat. the best part about it was the back was almost dead. This ment almost no fish tailing or high siding. Since that video I have lowered my back truck to a 1/4 riser. I also plan on going to a flat stock baseplate front, a cindrich 0* in the back and a 25' wb like I was previously running befor I got the plates.

And about the wheel bite - Max said it strait up. I start sliding befor I even get to the point of wheel bite. If I were getting wheel bite It means i was going too slow.

A few you also had Lean/drift/traction questions - I dont know how to exactly answer these questions other than my personal experiences. When I started running Indys I ran a flat front and de-wedged rear. This was when I had no idea how to put my hand down or drift. Once I started to learn how to drift and put my hand down I realized my indy set up made it alittle harder to drift. So from there I de-wedged my front the same as my rear and made it way more comfortable. I was able to throw pre-drifts and hook back up way easier this way. this is the way I have run all of my set ups until recently.

Hope that helped everyone.

MERCADO

**snozzboarder55** · 08-08-2009 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Petary791

And that just makes no sense to me. If you can turn quicker you can whip out a slide easier. If it turns slower it's got less "flicking" motion if you will. Oh well.

i think both of our suggestions are right. all the lean allows you to push it out sideways while the turn can be used to whip it around quickly. seems as though its just preference. we both win.

i guess i should have said i run my indys drop through and it makes a difference in grip with the whole lean:turn ratio. im not sure how it would work on a drop deck. and when i ran indys on my topmount it was the same experience with more lean and less turn equaling easier slide.

**dozerdoggie** · 08-08-2009 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by Petary791

By the way, that completely defeats the purpose of these. If you're going to wedge these why not just run stock Indy plates?

And that just makes no sense to me. If you can turn quicker you can whip out a slide easier. If it turns slower it's got less "flicking" motion if you will. Oh well.

Good point i got these instead of the stock because the holes line up and the kingpin is longer.I have tried them in a few different setups and this one performs on my regular terain the best.I am waiting on the cindrich in angles so i dont have to do the wedge thing and can try them dropped.I am new to the indy hangers gimmie a wile and i will have all the answers

**CarlTheSmokingCrab** · 08-08-2009 11:35 PM

Sick sick sick sick so sick. Thanks for the info on the spherical... But I'm not sure that I want to pursue the endeavor. I love the feel of the indies as they are.