I would be very interested in these plates. I would prefer them, in the end, to have the same ride height as a regular indy. They're already very low, i'm not sure making them lower off the bat would be best. You can always add risers/un-risers for however you want to mount them.
For those confused, If you look at an indy, the KP is angled. What is being suggest here is a CNC plate where the KP has no angle, and just sticks strait up ( 90* right angle to the plate/deck). Due to the geometry of an indy, this would calculate to a ~40* Randal.
I am having dreams of these on a hellcat.....*drool*
I find myself staring at my Indy's, Bennetts, and Trackers trying to somehow decipher how they turn, but I sorta gave up for now (especially with Bennetts). It's very weird to me how regular trucks were conceived before "reverse-kingpin" (if I'm not mistaken). Randals are so much easier to understand!
But anyway from what you wrote, I visualized a plate with a bushing seat flat on the plate itself, with an elevated, very angled pivot cup. If I'm imagining things in my head right, with the addition of lots of risers, the hanger might bite on its own baseplate! (which is pretty gnarly if you ask me). I'm thinking of an Indy (which is already low) and making it lower by eliminating the platform for the kingpin and bottom bushing. Insanely low!
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I also got curious and took some pics basically with an Indy 215 hanger resting on the bottom of a Core baseplate. Possibly the simplest proposed baseplate ever.
I would be very interested in these plates. I would prefer them, in the end, to have the same ride height as a regular indy. They're already very low, i'm not sure making them lower off the bat would be best. You can always add risers/un-risers for however you want to mount them.
For those confused, If you look at an indy, the KP is angled. What is being suggest here is a CNC plate where the KP has no angle, and just sticks strait up ( 90* right angle to the plate/deck). Due to the geometry of an indy, this would calculate to a ~40* Randal.
I am having dreams of these on a hellcat.....*drool*
Ya, i understand all that. I just dont get the pic... It just looks like a plate with two flat holes in it. Is my comp not showing a second one or something? Cuz I understand the KP being at 90*, but then the pivot part (idk wut its called, it goes in the pivot cup) would still need a place to go... The pic makes it look like it would also be at 90* and i dont think both the KP and the Pivot point can be at the same angle like that???
But the idea does sound awesome for DH boards as long as they still had the same "turning" feel that indy's do, just a little less turn obviously. And even if they didnt, they'd still be a super low truck.
What you're looking at is just a quick thing he made. The pivot hole would probably need to be angled for the hangers to work.
no the pivot axis isnt perpendicular to the axles in conventional geometry trucks. so they could (in theory) have the kp pointing towards the center of the deck a little bit and they would still turn
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Just to visualize. I have no background whatsoever with metal work and CNC stuff, but it seems very possible.
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So here's what you do. A)Throw out the concept of the baseplate. It looks like a bunch of flab relative to the very simple needs of this hanger and desired geometry. B) Drill a 3/8" hole in your beloved deck where it should be, install with some fender washers. Must me snug though. Find a pipe flange or cut off of alloy bar with a hole the dia of the piv bush used, or better yet drill again into beloved deck (partial depth). C) reinforce top side of piv point with barstock.
This is a really old idea first seen on the injection molded crap of the mid '70 and I thought is was a bad idea then, but I was young. Now knowing what I now, I truely think it's NOT a bad idea.
This hanger lends its self to this solution due to the alignment of the bushing flat and the pivot.
The structural challange would be the kingpin though board. A sinch nut would help but alter the angle.
but then the pivot part (idk wut its called, it goes in the pivot cup) would still need a place to go... The pic makes it look like it would also be at 90* and i dont think both the KP and the Pivot point can be at the same angle like that???
The pivot definitely needs to be at an angle. A spherical placed at an angle would be bomb.
So here's what you do. A)Throw out the concept of the baseplate. It looks like a bunch of flab relative to the very simple needs of this hanger and desired geometry. B) Drill a 3/8" hole in your beloved deck where it should be, install with some fender washers. Must me snug though. Find a pipe flange or cut off of alloy bar with a hole the dia of the piv bush used, or better yet drill again into beloved deck (partial depth). C) reinforce top side of piv point with barstock.
This is a really old idea first seen on the injection molded crap of the mid '70 and I thought is was a bad idea then, but I was young. Now knowing what I now, I truely think it's NOT a bad idea.
This hanger lends its self to this solution due to the alignment of the bushing flat and the pivot.
The structural challange would be the kingpin though board. A sinch nut would help but alter the angle.
Considered all this as well. My first though was an Alu. speedboard like Cindrich, Rbros, or Bombsquad incorporating the BP into the deck similar to what you are saying. But the more I thought about it, the more I thought it would be better as a separate piece. The fact that it's so simple ( could easily be made without a mill, period) and cheap, why not?
Thanks for the ....uh...visual aid Josh.
It was perfect actually.
I almost forgot-
Thanks for all the input on this, guys. Maybe if this thread get enough steam we can convince Cindrich or Bombsquad to build some of these.
i just don't see many guys buying this...
how many of u in this thread are downhilling with dewedged indies?
mercado runs them dewedged.. and who else??
i am more interested in wide split hangers for indy baseplates.....
(axle intersects with kingpin)
i think they will do more for stability...
I think Indy's for DH are just starting to come into the light. Look at the earlier thread "Indy's for DH (or something like that)." Many people started to try it just due to that thread. I see what you mean by not many bigger names ride them, but I'm sure the Fish will give it plenty of support.
I'd love to see this baseplate come into production.
I would prefer them, in the end, to have the same ride height as a regular indy. They're already very low, i'm not sure making them lower off the bat would be best.
Gotta disagree. If you make them tall, then you're stuck with that height on topmounts. But if you make them low, then (as a smart guy pointed out):
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You can always add risers/un-risers for however you want to mount them.
So, make 'em as low as is possible without baseplate-bite, and let everybody fine-tune with risers. Don't force any more height on the users than is absolutely necessary.
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i just don't see many guys buying this...
how many of u in this thread are downhilling with dewedged indies?
mercado runs them dewedged.. and who else??
It's the new Silverfish bandwagon, jump on!
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i am more interested in wide split hangers for indy baseplates.....
(axle intersects with kingpin)
i think they will do more for stability...
Maybe these should come with these new baseplates...
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