Original's Castings....

[KBag87]

some pics I took of the insides of my Original s8 trucks. When I took these pics I had barely ridden the trucks. I had probably 2 miles or less on them, simple flat commute to work and back a few times(less than 1/8 mile commute).

These are obviously casting imperfections on the trucks. Anyone else have any that look like this? also, ill take a pic of it, but there is much more of a gap between the thing that holds the nut, and the part that holds the wave cam that I would like, and I swear it is increasing! (sorry i don't know the terms for these trucks)






-Keegan

[Rich Nelson]

your worrying/thinking way to much, just ride them, they're fine

[Barf]

Yeah, that's a lot of gap, and I'll bet you feel it when you skate, too. What you can try, is remove one of the big metal washers that are on either end of the spring. This will let you pull that flange down into the slot further and still have the same amount of tension on the spring. Hopefully you'll find less slop with the flange further in, and you'll certainly be less likely to wallow out the metal and make the slop worse.

You also might have luck using a hammer to pound on that flange and see if you can widen it up a bit. I've never tried this, though, so I don't know if it works or not- you might just end up needing a new flange.

[KBag87]

Yeah, that's a lot of gap, and I'll bet you feel it when you skate, too. What you can try, is remove one of the big metal washers that are on either end of the spring. This will let you pull that flange down into the slot further and still have the same amount of tension on the spring. Hopefully you'll find less slop with the flange further in, and you'll certainly be less likely to wallow out the metal and make the slop worse.

You also might have luck using a hammer to pound on that flange and see if you can widen it up a bit. I've never tried this, though, so I don't know if it works or not- you might just end up needing a new flange.

hell ya I can feel it when i skate! So, that is a larger gap then most Original trucks should have? if that is the case, and even if its not, ill probably just see about getting them replaced by Original. I haven't have the board long at all, and don't ride it near as hard as most would.

what do you think about the casting imperfections on the inside? i don't think they are gonna affect the trucks, but they are definitely imperfect trucks.

-Keegan

[Barf]

hell ya I can feel it when i skate! So, that is a larger gap then most Original trucks should have? if that is the case, and even if its not, ill probably just see about getting them replaced by Original. I haven't have the board long at all, and don't ride it near as hard as most would.

what do you think about the casting imperfections on the inside? i don't think they are gonna affect the trucks, but they are definitely imperfect trucks.

-Keegan

I can't say if that much slop is more than is "usual"; but it's definitely more than I have on the three sets of trucks I have here.

The tiny scratches on the inside of the cam housing wouldn't bother me unless they feel so sharp that they'll wear your plastic cams down. If so, a little time with some steel wool should soften up the edges. I'm not a believer in constantly re-sanding the inside of the cam housing, btw. Don't want to remove a lot of metal and create slop around the cams.

[Alpha06]

If you take the trucks apart and then throw them out and buy Randals that will solve your problem

[7m28]

some pics I took of the insides of my Original s8 trucks. When I took these pics I had barely ridden the trucks. I had probably 2 miles or less on them, simple flat commute to work and back a few times(less than 1/8 mile commute).

These are obviously casting imperfections on the trucks. Anyone else have any that look like this? also, ill take a pic of it, but there is much more of a gap between the thing that holds the nut, and the part that holds the wave cam that I would like, and I swear it is increasing! (sorry i don't know the terms for these trucks)






-Keegan

you bro, i see you have some kind of clip at the end of your bolt to keep the kingpins from getting loosed. Can you tell me what you used and if it works, i have that same problem!!

oh as for YOUR question, #### like that always happen. i called the guys at Original and they just told me to sand it down with very fine sandpaper to get rid of them. I did them on my Hybrid and the squeaks are practically gone but i tried on my Apex 37 and it didnt do ####.

[KBag87]

you bro, i see you have some kind of clip at the end of your bolt to keep the kingpins from getting loosed. Can you tell me what you used and if it works, i have that same problem!!

oh as for YOUR question, #### like that always happen. i called the guys at Original and they just told me to sand it down with very fine sandpaper to get rid of them. I did them on my Hybrid and the squeaks are practically gone but i tried on my Apex 37 and it didnt do ####.

they are just e-clips. you can buy them at any hardware store for less than $1.

-Keegan

[KAKA]

i say send the guys at original an email? especially if u feel it is effecting ur use of their product
its not uncommon for sand cast trucks to have imperfections though

[KBag87]

i say send the guys at original an email? especially if u feel it is effecting ur use of their product
its not uncommon for sand cast trucks to have imperfections though

i plan on calling original when i get off work today. I don't so much mind the inside casting imperfections. but the gap is a PITA b/c you can always feel that play when your on the board...

at the same time, for the $$$$$ i paid for the complete, i should get a good quality product, and imperfections do not equal quality.

-Keegan

[stringtheory]

your worrying/thinking way to much, just ride them, they're fine

Truth. 10nubzrule!!!

[KBag87]

your worrying/thinking way to much, just ride them, they're fine

wrong.

If you take the trucks apart and then throw them out and buy Randals that will solve your problem

lol.

Truth. 10nubzrule!!!

wrong. white font = old

[Arcadium]

If you take the trucks apart and then throw them out and buy Randals that will solve your problem

QFT

[Barf]

I won't argue the Randal thing (different strokes, blah blah blah), but as for ignoring the gap between that little flange and the slot it sits in:

It really does make a difference on these particular trucks. A small gap in that area creates a lot of dead space around the centerpoint of the trucks. You'll get several degrees of lean to either side with absolutely zero resistance, and then suddenly the spring will engage. Makes for a very non-smooth feel... which is exactly the opposite of what Original trucks are all about.

Imagine riding Randals with the kingpin nut so loose so you can slide your bushings about 4 threads up and down the kingpin by hand. You're gonna get a lot of free play before the bushings engage. If you dig that feel, cool! But it's not the feel people buy Originals for.

[mrgumdropman]

if you dont like original trucks you don't so dont come in and say throw them away. thats your opinion this is about fixing them and throwing them away is not a solution its a waste haha, No negative rep please! and streetheap and many others were right. RIDE THEM

[RelyK]

remember you do want some gap though!! because if you observe the cam and truck on the kingpin when you apply pressure the wavecam translates that motion along the kingpin.

Effectively narrowing your wheelbase a little bit, thats why that gap is there, to accomodate that movement. my trucks have the same thing but ride just fine, if you tighten them a little bit they should be ok. remember dont crank on them so hard your wavecam cracks. That will ruin your day

[Barf]

remember you do want some gap though!! because if you observe the cam and truck on the kingpin when you apply pressure the wavecam translates that motion along the kingpin.

Effectively narrowing your wheelbase a little bit, thats why that gap is there, to accomodate that movement. my trucks have the same thing but ride just fine, if you tighten them a little bit they should be ok. remember dont crank on them so hard your wavecam cracks. That will ruin your day

We're not talking about the gap between the locking flange and the bottom of the slot; we're talking about the gap between the flange and the sides of the slot.

(You are correct in that there should be at least a little gap between the flange and the bottom of the slot.)

[RelyK]

We're not talking about the gap between the locking flange and the bottom of the slot; we're talking about the gap between the flange and the sides of the slot.

(You are correct in that there should be at least a little gap between the flange and the bottom of the slot.)

ok yea I have the same slack on the sides as well, I cant make the flange wider so I dont worry about it.

[Nelsonn]

I've had the gap widening problem on mine and I totally fixed it. You take out one of the flat washers so the tab fits in deeper and then flip the tab around so the wider flat end is sticking out. I've ridden them for about a year like this and there is no more widening.

[JamieReis]

some pics I took of the insides of my Original s8 trucks. When I took these pics I had barely ridden the trucks. I had probably 2 miles or less on them, simple flat commute to work and back a few times(less than 1/8 mile commute).

These are obviously casting imperfections on the trucks. Anyone else have any that look like this? also, ill take a pic of it, but there is much more of a gap between the thing that holds the nut, and the part that holds the wave cam that I would like, and I swear it is increasing! (sorry i don't know the terms for these trucks)

-Keegan

They're not virgin 356+ aluminum cast. The more often the Al undergoes phase change, the more the integrity is compromised. This could have been part of a batch that was mostly recycled aluminum. Obviously they have or at one time had some virgin aluminum cast trucks but you probably caught the short end of the stick. It shouldn't make too much of a difference. Regardless, the intermolecular forces of aluminum are pretty strong and you do not have much to worry about other than cosmetic issues.

Not sure if you care about the chemisty behind it, but if you are read on:

Naturally occurring Aluminum atoms have a charge of -3 which means that they have 3 more electrons (negatively charged,) than they do protons (positively charged.) This means that they are bonded together fairly strongly (large London Dispersion Forces.) The surface of the aluminum can be compromised if it comes in contact with water. NOT RUST, rusts are the oxidation of iron oxides. What happens is, the liquid hydrogen hydroxide (water,) or hydrogen hydroxide(g) comes in contact with the surface of the aluminum, and the positively charged hydrogen atoms are attracted to the negatively charged aluminum atoms (which are more negative[-3] than oxygen gas[-2]^2. So hydrogen dissociates from oxygen, and the hydrogen bonds with the surface of the aluminum cast truck and the oxygen gas (O2) or hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) is given off leaving Al2O3, or in rare cases aluminum trihydride or alane (which I'm not familiar with but looks to be acidic [X+H=Acid]) This just makes the aluminum more pliable in essence because the intermolecular forces between Al-Al are stronger than Al-H. The idea of this is not to scare you out of getting your trucks wet, or to talk you into investing in a dehumidifier. It is just to ensure you that the surface is "weaker" than what is beyond the surface, and that you have nothing to worry about unless you have your board entered in a beauty contest.