Bushings. Different types and how to set them up.

**goodcharlotte_fan13** · 08-08-2009 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by gavmck

Technically yes, but not nicely. you'd end up having to crank em right down, although if you use the short reflex cone on top then you're probably ok.

Go get a nice set of 2.75" grade 8 kingpins, you'll be way happier

Ok thank sfor the help. I cant find any kingpins that size unless i go on daddies boardshop but the site says 2.5"for r2 and 2.75" for dh series. Does that mean if i put in a 2.75" kingpin ill like hit every crack or bump i go over with r2s? so what do you reccommend i do get a longer kingpin so i can get better bushings or keep it short and just go with khiros or something? O and even with the 2.75" will i have space to use washers? doesnt mater flat or cupped

**flannelman** · 08-08-2009 01:03 PM

no a randla kingpin is 2.5, while you need a 2.75 inch one to get the room you need. it wont hit the ground if you are running anything larger than 55mm wheels. lol you forgot that wheels prop the truck up from the road, and as the kingpin is at an angle it wont actually be a quarter inch closer to the ground (unless for running a 90 degree kingpin) so unless your wheels create less then a quarter inch gap between the road and the ground, you'll be find. PS, most ppl just find 3/8th, 3" grade 8 bolts at their local hardware store for 60 cents and run those.

**goodcharlotte_fan13** · 08-08-2009 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by flannelman

no a randla kingpin is 2.5, while you need a 2.75 inch one to get the room you need. it wont hit the ground if you are running anything larger than 55mm wheels. lol you forgot that wheels prop the truck up from the road, and as the kingpin is at an angle it wont actually be a quarter inch closer to the ground (unless for running a 90 degree kingpin) so unless your wheels create less then a quarter inch gap between the road and the ground, you'll be find. PS, most ppl just find 3/8th, 3" grade 8 bolts at their local hardware store for 60 cents and run those.

oya haha thanks. So what would you reccomend randal titaniam 3" competition kingpin or 2.75" dh kingpin. (those are pretty expensive but there made by randal so idk if theyll work better than others) or Khiro hardcore grade 8 with locknuts 3".(these are alot cheaper and seem like a better value)

**gavmck** · 08-10-2009 02:54 AM

Get that khiro one, or the 2.75" DH one, no point in titanium bah. You will be STOKED.

**goodcharlotte_fan13** · 08-10-2009 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by gavmck

Get that khiro one, or the 2.75" DH one, no point in titanium bah. You will be STOKED.

Ok thanks so your sure just because it says dh it doesnt only work on the downhill trucks and someone else also told me that 3" would be to big for randal trucks. R you pretty sure theyll fit. Im riding 70 mm stimulus wheels or should i get 2.75" 2 be safe if your unsure. And btw thanks for all the help

**gavmck** · 08-10-2009 11:18 AM

Personally, I think 2.75" is perfect, less thread sticking out and still big enough.

**goodcharlotte_fan13** · 08-10-2009 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by gavmck

Personally, I think 2.75" is perfect, less thread sticking out and still big enough.

ok thanks. and where can i buy a 2.75" kingpin there sortof hard to find cus the only one i saw was the randal titaniam one which is too expensive for my budget. all i can find is 3" 2.5" or 2". And so should 3" kingpins basically be out of the picture? How strong are you against 3" kingpins on randals. o and btw im like a noob so im not gonna be able to do alot of crazy stuff to make it work if thats whats needed. Thanks

**gavmck** · 08-11-2009 12:39 AM

where you from?

UK & europe: Kingpin Grade 8, different lengths(sold singly) - Nuts/Bolts/Spacers/Grip etc - Parts

USA: Mile High Skates

Otherwise just go to a regular hardware store and ask. that's where I get mine!

**goodcharlotte_fan13** · 08-11-2009 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by gavmck

where you from?

UK & europe: Kingpin Grade 8, different lengths(sold singly) - Nuts/Bolts/Spacers/Grip etc - Parts

USA: Mile High Skates

Otherwise just go to a regular hardware store and ask. that's where I get mine!

k thanks for all the help

**nineandhalf** · 08-12-2009 02:29 PM

This is a great post, I learned a lot

I just have a question, I'm looking up bushings to buy and when im looking at some of the Khiro's I see Kbac1 kbac2, does anybody know what that means?

Edit: Heres a link
http://www.thelongboardstore.com/bus...hite-bushings/

**gavmck** · 08-12-2009 03:19 PM

I think KBAC means Khiro barrel and cone

Kbac1 is a barrel and small cone (good for regular trucks)
Kbac2 is a barrel and taller cone (good for reverse kingpin, if you're ino that combo)

They both use insert cones that require no top washer

**nineandhalf** · 08-12-2009 03:30 PM

oh , alright thanks for clearing that up.

If there insert cones and dont need washers does that mean I cant mix and match them?
I was told for the style i want to ride and the board and trucks I should use the blue khiro's for the top and the white ones for the bottom.

**gavmck** · 08-12-2009 03:38 PM

You can mix and match them, just don't swap a tall cone or barrel for a short cone on bottom, bad times. They will react differently though.

**goodcharlotte_fan13** · 08-12-2009 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by gavmck

You can mix and match them, just don't swap a tall cone or barrel for a short cone on bottom, bad times. They will react differently though.

so if i get a barrel and short cone the barrel goes nearest to the board taking the big cones place to take the weight of the rider right? and then the short is closer to the ground? but im probably just getting soft double barrels. from khiros

**n3rrd** · 08-12-2009 09:16 PM

I always fight with "how tight is too tight?" or "how loose is too loose?" I have my Randals currently set up with Red Venom barrels bottom, Lemon Retro barrels top, and a 5/16 washer. I previously had the KP so that the Lemon barrels were ever so slightly bulging just above the washer. It was a little stiff but you could really give'er if you needed a harder carve. Anyways, I took the hangars off to soap up the pivot because the squeak was finally getting to me. I left the 2.75" KP a little looser than normal; probably a half turn or so. No more love handles on the Lemon.

Unweighted, there is no slop in the hangar, but weighted it feels a little sketchier than it used to, though I enjoy the increased freedom in turns. I've got to give my Orange Retro barrels a shot at the bottom position, or my Yellow Venoms. Stupid Oranges need to be trimmed slightly though... got mine from the Compatible sale and the 86a's were too tall. Unless I order new barrels I can't go softer than 83 in the tops.

Does anyone ride with a little bulge or do others consider that the point where you should back off a quarter turn or so?

**gavmck** · 08-12-2009 11:32 PM

so if i get a barrel and short cone the barrel goes nearest to the board taking the big cones place to take the weight of the rider right? and then the short is closer to the ground? but im probably just getting soft double barrels. from khiros

Sure does. And yeah like double barrels best too.

Does anyone ride with a little bulge or do others consider that the point where you should back off a quarter turn or so?

I believe no bulge and no unsupported jiggle to be the best. If you get a bulge you lose turn depth and that 'smooth' feeling. If you have unsupported jiggle in the middle you get instability and 'flop n stop'

**goodcharlotte_fan13** · 08-13-2009 12:37 AM

[QUOTE=gavmck;1297682315]Sure does. And yeah like double barrels best too.

ok thanks. and i just bought my bustin cigar board (1st board with orangatang stimulus wheels and randal trucks) im going to try to learn to slide and im wondering is it better for me to keep my stock randal bushings for sliding or put in the double barrel khiros ill get later. or does it not really matter for sliding?

**gavmck** · 08-13-2009 02:15 AM

Looser trucks make sliding easier. If you can't get the board over, you don't get as much sideways leverage to slide. Hence CNC DH trucks often have less lean to prevent excess sliding. Those Randal bushings should be fine and dandy, but if they feel to hard, try something softer.

Shred what you got!

**goodcharlotte_fan13** · 08-13-2009 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by gavmck

Looser trucks make sliding easier. If you can't get the board over, you don't get as much sideways leverage to slide. Hence CNC DH trucks often have less lean to prevent excess sliding. Those Randal bushings should be fine and dandy, but if they feel to hard, try something softer.

Shred what you got!

Thanks for all the help. o and one more question are the venom standard bushings taller then the venom eliminators cus someone on youtube said that they have venom eliminators on there stock randal kingpin and theres no bulging. But im still getting a longer kingpin probably. And sorry for all my questions. o and how can i get your rep so high like yours is?

**gavmck** · 08-13-2009 12:17 PM

Venom eliminators are shorter yeah. you need to push an extra washer under the bottom one to stop your truck going out of alignment and feeling 'orrible. You get the rep by spreading the stoke, heh. Here's some for yah