Bennett base plates

**skully** · 10-28-2009 08:46 AM

**mooney** · 10-28-2009 09:27 AM

**Petary791** · 10-28-2009 09:32 AM

**SoloRider** · 10-28-2009 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by mooney

I think I saw over on the LDP website, pavedwave.com, that a minumum of 15-20 wedged up front and 7-10 dewedged in the rear is the generally prefered setup for LDP.

Wouldn't that translate to needing a +25 cinnett up front and -17 cinnet (when available) in the back? I'm not LDP expert so I may be way off, but is that the correct angle knowing 10 degrees is already built in?

Sorry I'm a bit confused

Mooney

Your right about the front. In the back you usually start off with a less turny truck and then dewedge the 7-10 degrees. The most popular choices seem to be a Tracker RTS and Seismic stable turn.

**Camel** · 10-28-2009 01:04 PM

Ok, so here is my thinking at this point...

On an LDP board, you will require som height when you start wedging it, not much, but some. With a Cinnett-15 stacked on a Khiro angle pad it equals stock +13.75 degrees. I never wedge my LDP boards over stock + 18 degrees. With a Cinnett-20 it would be like having stock + 18.75 degrees of wedge.

The confusion point here is that no one has ever really spoken of the 10 degrees designed into the truck. We all refer to it as 18 degrees of wedge on a Bennett truck.

18.75 degrees can be squirrely unless you are ready for it. 13.75 seems like a better "out of the box" product. But having the higher wedge model is great for the folks that already know LDP setups.

You really don't want to flat mount the truck to the full nosed board with 75mm wheels on it... unless you enjoy faceplanting.

**mooney** · 10-28-2009 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by Camel

You really don't want to flat mount the truck to the full nosed board with 75mm wheels on it... unless you enjoy faceplanting.

Unless you add some axle extensions to your bennett up front to clear the full nosed board:

Axle extensions

Adding those extensions keeps all the turny Bennett benefits but adds some axle length for clearance. It may take away some pump ability. It's all a compromise I guess. But, someone needs to try it and see. I have some on order for my Bennetts.

**Camel** · 10-28-2009 01:31 PM

Yeah, you would lose a ton of pump swinging long arms like that back and forth. That's why most LDP peeps use a 5.0 and not a 6.0 Bennett. But it might be fun for DH, you never know till you try.

**Chrispy23** · 10-28-2009 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by Camel

Ok, so here is my thinking at this point...

On an LDP board, you will require som height when you start wedging it, not much, but some. With a Cinnett-15 stacked on a Khiro angle pad it equals stock +13.75 degrees. I never wedge my LDP boards over stock + 18 degrees. With a Cinnett-20 it would be like having stock + 18.75 degrees of wedge.

The confusion point here is that no one has ever really spoken of the 10 degrees designed into the truck. We all refer to it as 18 degrees of wedge on a Bennett truck.

18.75 degrees can be squirrely unless you are ready for it. 13.75 seems like a better "out of the box" product. But having the higher wedge model is great for the folks that already know LDP setups.

You really don't want to flat mount the truck to the full nosed board with 75mm wheels on it... unless you enjoy faceplanting.

I'm in the category of liking the 'squirrely" feel on LDP and slighly less so on Park/bowl and some other set-ups (I'm an Indy, Bennett loose guy). I have a 20* Cinnett coming (tomorrow, Thanks Dave) and will do the soft wedge for the 18.75 to start, since it is closer to the angle I have now.

That being said, most people (skaters) that try my set-ups would prefer something less "divey" and I feel there is a magic range for LDP like the 5-10* for Slalom that Mig/Skully pointed out before you get diminishing returns. Probably skill/style based like most things in the game of skate. Wish I had more time to experiment and find out.

**SoloRider** · 10-28-2009 02:32 PM

I run 22* of wedge on my LDP boards up front. I see getting the extra 15* out of these baseplates has a couple big advantages in my mind. First of all using just a single soft wedge will get me the same wedge I am getting with my current setup. Without an additional 1/8th riser or two I'm bound to get some wheelbite but I'll be able to use shorter hardware running at a more reasonable angle. Also with the soft wedge getting full contact there will be less compression in it meaning less movement in the hardware and less twist between the deck and the baseplate. Still the most important aspect for me though is the KP capture and I can get that with a Cinnett at any angle. I'm going to have to ditch that KP still though, better than the crap KP that comes in a Bennett but there's still not enough shoulder to avoid eating bushings(or being considerably weaker the way I run my KP).

**SoloRider** · 10-28-2009 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by mooney

Unless you add some axle extensions to your bennett up front to clear the full nosed board:

Axle extensions

Adding those extensions keeps all the turny Bennett benefits but adds some axle length for clearance. It may take away some pump ability. It's all a compromise I guess. But, someone needs to try it and see. I have some on order for my Bennetts.

You'd have to add a LOT of extensions to clear a full width nose. On my LDP setup, Bennett 5.0) BigZigs come within a 1/4" of making contact with my baseplate. A wider hanger will mean that the wheel comes closer to the deck or less wedge.

**SoloRider** · 11-24-2009 03:25 PM

I'm nearly done with my precision Bennett, now if it would only stop raining.

**loserplayer** · 11-24-2009 03:31 PM

thats pretty sick
is the spherical at all restrictive or do you still have the whole range of motion?

**SoloRider** · 11-24-2009 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by loserplayer

thats pretty sick
is the spherical at all restrictive or do you still have the whole range of motion?

In mock up it'll swing the wheel into the deck before the KP reaches full rotation. I won't have it fully setup though until I have a chance to get a new longer KP tomorrow.

**rosewood thief** · 11-24-2009 04:52 PM

1 question: will these fit 6.0's? I did a speed read of the thread but didn't find the answer...

**luftywaffles** · 11-24-2009 04:55 PM

that is SICK solorider.

i'm not a huge fan of sphericals, but i applaud your work.

**Petary791** · 11-24-2009 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by rosewood thief

1 question: will these fit 6.0's? I did a speed read of the thread but didn't find the answer...

Seeing as they're just baseplates I don't see why not.

**rosewood thief** · 11-24-2009 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Petary791

Seeing as they're just baseplates I don't see why not.

Well the reason i ask is Bennett 4.3 and 5.0's are a different height then 6.0's, so I'm wondering if i can run these with my 6.0's w/ extensions on my Loki.

**[(Erik)]** · 11-24-2009 05:24 PM

Originally Posted by rosewood thief

Well the reason i ask is Bennett 4.3 and 5.0's are a different height then 6.0's, so I'm wondering if i can run these with my 6.0's w/ extensions on my Loki.

the height difference is in the baseplate
the baseplate on 6.0 are 1/4 inch taller than the ones on the 5.0s or 4.3s
but the geometry stays the same which is why i can run 4.3 hangars in a 6.0 baseplate

so yeah youll be fine

**rosewood thief** · 11-24-2009 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by [(Erik)]

the height difference is in the baseplate
the baseplate on 6.0 are 1/4 inch taller than the ones on the 5.0s or 4.3s
but the geometry stays the same which is why i can run 4.3 hangars in a 6.0 baseplate

so yeah youll be fine

Thanks, gonna order as soon as i have money... can't wait.

**flannelman** · 12-04-2009 05:42 PM

solo, that looks really fun. i run mine with a gasket in that slop, and it makes a big difference. cant even imagine much better it will feel with a bearing.