Newbie: best all-around trucks and bushings?

**botofusup** · 07-27-2009 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by johnny appleseed

hmmmm. guess i got the kingpin thing wrong. botofusup might be right, think i'll just see how i like the randal RII 150 bushings (thanks for the advice on switching to 150mm, down&dirty).

and i know this is alot of questions coming form me but there's one last one. will i be able to use the stock S9 angled risers with the RII's? and any advice on removing the trucks/wheels etc.? Thanks everyone.

Randals are drilled new and old school so you should be fine there. Compare the height of the trucks when they are off the board, if they are similar you should be OK, If there is a height difference adjust the riser accordingly. Part of longboarding is playing with and tweaking your setup, eventually you'll have a box of risers and bushings to goof around with. MAKE SURE you check for wheelbite while still (static) and take it easy until you have the setup dialed in.

**elijahheartsninjas** · 09-20-2009 02:38 AM

93a venom dh. good for everything. best with cup washers i think

**LongboardinBeast** · 10-14-2009 10:57 PM

I use downhill crails with jimz white speed bushings... its awesome

**Mynusss** · 10-16-2009 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by Down & Dirty

Kingpins are 95 cents at MHS. The only reason you need longer kingpins is if you want to run double barrels or tall cones.

After looking the Bintang up I see that it is 8.5 inches wide, so 150mm randals would probably be a better choice.

Normally I try to get whatever truck width will make the outside of the wheels close to flush with the edge of my deck. 180mm is good for 10" wide boards and 150mm is good for 8.5" wide boards. You can break this rule if you want though, plenty of people do since narrower trucks are typically more responsive (fun) and wider trucks typically feel more stable (only fun at high speeds). Wider trucks also make it easier to get wheelbite unless they are wide enough for your wheels to be completely outside the deck in which case it is impossible to get wheelbite, but 180mm on an 8.5" deck will not achieve this.

What are pros and cons of running double barrles or double tall cones?

**Down & Dirty** · 10-16-2009 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by Mynusss

What are pros and cons of running double barrles or double tall cones?

It's all about the amount of urethane that has to compress when you turn.

Barrels have more thane, which means they have more progressive lean. What "progressive lean" means is that the more you lean, the harder it gets to lean further. This translates to stability, high rebound, and a larger turning radius.

Cones have less meat to them, which gives them not as progressive lean. This allows you to lean further, resulting in a smaller turning radius and a looser feeling.

The same principle applies to odd-shaped bushings like hourglasses, eliminators, and pumpkins.

Picking the right shape is just as important as picking the right duro, because how progressive your bushings are is not the same as how hard they are. For example, if you are trying to prevent wheelbite but still keep your setup feeling "loose", you might consider using soft barrels so that you still have the feeling of soft bushings, but as you turn more the progressive lean kicks in to stop you from getting wheelbite. On the other hand, if you want your setup to be more stable without restricting your turning radius, a harder cone will feel stiffer without sacrificing much lean. If you are putting together a commuting setup, soft cones allow you to make the sharp, quick turns necessary for pumping and making corners on narrow paths. You can always compromise by combining different shapes, too.

**jsweriduk** · 10-16-2009 11:23 PM

IMO Bear Grizzlies are the best all-around truck. I like the feel of them way better than randalls first of all. Secondly, they have a slightly steeper angle, which means better carving. The good stuff comes when you flip the hanger, which leaves you with a truck good for downhill (47˚ angle). If you get a reverse kingpin truck get either paris, holey, bear, or randall. there are a few other good brands out there also.