Wheelbite:Looseness of the Trucks

[milothefultz]

So I have an Envy 57 Classic with Paris 180's, Venom Orange 81a Super Carve bushings, and Retro 66 ZigZags at 78a. I have my trucks as tight as possible (i.e. almost squishing the bushings) and I want to get an easier more touchy turn. The problem here is I get wheelbite when the majority of my weight (125 lb.) is turning solely on the front truck, but I want a more touchy carve. If I loosen my trucks, will my board be more prone to wheelbite or will it just turn easier? I'd rather not try this out due to the obvious safety precautions of falling and hurting myself constantly and I don't have much time to fiddle with my board trying out all the possible combinations of this because of my job for the time being. Halp? D:

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[milothefultz]

And since when have I misspelled "combination"?

[FlyingDutchman]

Easiest way to limit how much your trucks turn is to put a smaller bushing on top. This way you can still run soft bushings without a lot of preload. My personal preference in situations like this is a medium bones hardcore insert bushing.

[milothefultz]

Easiest way to limit how much your trucks turn is to put a smaller bushing on top. This way you can still run soft bushings without a lot of preload. My personal preference in situations like this is a medium bones hardcore insert bushing.

Sorry, don't really get what you mean. My bushings are already rather small, aren't they?

[killdozer]

If you can't find the right feel in your current bushings you can always step it up to the 85a, or even the Standards. I am 20lbs more than you and run Venom 85a Standards (Barrel and tall cone) and can run the kingpin relatively loose. Carves like a dream and has good rebound.

[Archy]

Sorry, don't really get what you mean. My bushings are already rather small, aren't they?

The big bones cone is smaller and the little bones cone is way smaller still.

[FaceVsAsphalt]

I can probably help you out. I am heavy and run soft bushings, so I deal with wheelbite a lot. I will be home all day today and tomorrow.

[flannelman]

Sorry, don't really get what you mean. My bushings are already rather small, aren't they?

im going to keep this short. bushings compress when you turn. the more material they have to start out with, the more they can compress. because the hanger is on one side of the compression, and with large bushings, they have the physical ability to move more. a venom bushing is considered a larger bushing. if you switch to a smaller bushing, it wont have enough material for you hanger to pivot as much before the bushing fulling compresses.

Got it? physics and skateboards, who'da thunk.

[FlyingDutchman]

I should have said short instead of small.

Those bushings you have are around .700" tall

A khiro is around .550" tall

Tall bones harcore bushings are around .600" or so (I'm too lazy to disassemble and measure,) but the hard insert effectively makes the urethane portion shorter, so it restricts lean like a shorter bushing would.

If the concept of a shorter bushing restricting the lean doesn't make sense to you, imagine your top bushing getting shorter and shorter until the washer is right against the bushing seat. Clearly at that position the truck will not turn at all, and as washer/nut height increases from that point, the ultimate amount that the trucks can lean will increase until maximum turn is reached

[gavmck]

I wrote this thread on setting up bushings and how to have different turn feels and amounts of comression etc.

Bushings. Different types and how to set them up.

I see you have orange venom cones. A cone bushing allow the most compression, especially with flat washers. This can make your trucks feel stiff but still get wheelbite. Stepped bushings, like the venom eliminator restrict turn depth, even when using a softer bushing duro. To restrict it even more you can use large cupped washers with these so the step is engaged at all times.

Venom Eliminators are shorter than the cones so you need to run an extra flat washer closest to the baseplate.

Put the flat washer on first, then add another flat washer or a large cup washer, then Your eliminator bushing with the rounded side pointing at the hangar, then hangar, bushing and another flat or cupped washer.

Try some orange eliminators, with either cupped or flat washers and maybe try a cone on top if you want a more easily initiated turn that is still limited somewhat.

That should do it!

[CarlTheSmokingCrab]

those are SOFT ASS bushings with not alot of rebound. try two yellow barrels or a barrel/cone combo

[killdozer]

those are SOFT ASS bushings with not alot of rebound. try two yellow barrels or a barrel/cone combo

Yeah that is what I run. Yellow barrel/cone. Friggin' sick ride.

[milothefultz]

those are SOFT ASS bushings with not alot of rebound. try two yellow barrels or a barrel/cone combo

Actually, I'm using one of those on top and a stock Paris I think 90a bushing barrel on bottom. I get some good rebound but the problem is I'm just afraid of wheelbite if I loosen my trucks at all. Should I just go for some harder/shorter bushings?

[milothefultz]

Actually, I'm using one of those on top and a stock Paris I think 90a bushing barrel on bottom. I get some good rebound but the problem is I'm just afraid of wheelbite if I loosen my trucks at all. Should I just go for some harder/shorter bushings?

Just put those Super Carve's on the R-II's on my schlongboard with some short barrels on bottom and it turns like a flippin' dream. Looks like I'm out to find some shorter and harder bushings for my dancer.