WTB: Venom Bushing Kit

[GPymp]

I was offering split-duro wheels before those guys were even in business.

You were selling split zig zags before most of the slalom pro's were even using zig zags.

[luftywaffles]

ok upon farther thought, i was thinking that each kit should come with x4 flat washers and x4 cup washers if possible....

and you should have a super carve kit(all cones), standard kit(cones and barrels), downhill kit(barrels), and downhill+ kit(barrels and elims).

and i still think a lightweight and heavyweight option would be cool

[AntonL]

ok upon farther thought, i was thinking that each kit should come with x4 flat washers and x4 cup washers if possible....

and you should have a super carve kit(all cones), standard kit(cones and barrels), downhill kit(barrels), and downhill+ kit(barrels and elims).

and i still think a lightweight and heavyweight option would be cool

Agreed, nice idea, and i like the hardware and no hardware option from earlier but maybe not make it with a kingpin, i like the washer and barrels idea, and the elims option. If mark makes one or someone makes one they have a sale for a heavy or mid pack from me right now.

[thebull]

If it's possible I think you should do a more customized build your own kit idea such as there would be a set price for the kit(you could do a kit w/ or w/o hardware) but the person would be allowed to choose a certain amount of each bushing type or duro they wanted as specified by the price of the kit.

Such as there could be a $60 downhill kit where you could choose 10 barrels of any duro and then 8 elims of any duro you wanted.

I don't know if this would be possible, but it take away the problem of people buying pre-built kits that had bushings that they would never use. Such as I'm very lightweight at 118 but I know I would never use barrels or elims in 81 or 83a. So for the lightweight kit I would only be using the 85, 87, 90, and even 93a barrels and elims.

[AntonL]

If it's possible I think you should do a more customized build your own kit idea such as there would be a set price for the kit(you could do a kit w/ or w/o hardware) but the person would be allowed to choose a certain amount of each bushing type or duro they wanted as specified by the price of the kit.

Such as there could be a $60 downhill kit where you could choose 10 barrels of any duro and then 8 elims of any duro you wanted.

I don't know if this would be possible, but it take away the problem of people buying pre-built kits that had bushings that they would never use. Such as I'm very lightweight at 118 but I know I would never use barrels or elims in 81 or 83a. So for the lightweight kit I would only be using the 85, 87, 90, and even 93a barrels and elims.

if you would only use heavy weight bushings wouldnt that mean you just need to buy the heavy kit?? i doubt any place you buy a kit from would weigh you for your kit. Im pretty positive they'll just sell you the one you choose to buy.

[thebull]

if you would only use heavy weight bushings wouldnt that mean you just need to buy the heavy kit?? i doubt any place you buy a kit from would weigh you for your kit. Im pretty positive they'll just sell you the one you choose to buy.

Oh i realize this, but what I'm saying is that I would use only half of the lightweight kit and wouldn't use the 97a in the heavyweight kit. This means that half of the lightweight kit would go unused with the 81a and 83a and likewise with the heavyweight. I wasn't suggesting that they weigh you, but that you build your own kit by selecting a specified amount of bushings.

This could also be solved if they also made a Mediumweight kit that would contain 85-93a

[boarderaholic]

In the perfect world, there should be 3 boxes of each type of package you sell. So a light, medium and heavy weight, Super carve, DH and Standard. And then for Elims, do a light, medium and heavy weight package. It would be nice to be able to super duper customize the packages, but given the general populace, that's not really realistic.

[AntonL]

Oh i realize this, but what I'm saying is that I would use only half of the lightweight kit and wouldn't use the 97a in the heavyweight kit. This means that half of the lightweight kit would go unused with the 81a and 83a and likewise with the heavyweight. I wasn't suggesting that they weigh you, but that you build your own kit by selecting a specified amount of bushings.

This could also be solved if they also made a Mediumweight kit that would contain 85-93a

oh ok i see i just misunderstood you, i also suggested a Mid weight kit, since 78a and 97a are such big outliers which would most likely rarely be used but again are not useless to where you would exclude them from a kit. i know there are really light people who would use 78a and either heavier riders or those who like a really stiff ride that would be all over the 97a bushings.
But that much customization is just not practical like boardaholic said, it would be very nice but it would take a lot of work to make such a system and then to maintain it.

[thebull]

oh ok i see i just misunderstood you, i also suggested a Mid weight kit, since 78a and 97a are such big outliers which would most likely rarely be used but again are not useless to where you would exclude them from a kit. i know there are really light people who would use 78a and either heavier riders or those who like a really stiff ride that would be all over the 97a bushings.
But that much customization is just not practical like boardaholic said, it would be very nice but it would take a lot of work to make such a system and then to maintain it.

Ya I can see from a business standpoint that it would be extremely hard to maintain a system like that. My vote is for the Light, Medium, and Heavyweight kits then.

[xdizxlilxaznxboi]

Too bad a store can't just have the kits all set up with empty slots so a customer can choose a certain number of duros/shapes that'll be thrown into it.

[AntonL]

Ya I can see from a business standpoint that it would be extremely hard to maintain a system like that. My vote is for the Light, Medium, and Heavyweight kits then.

see and a system like that with just 3 classes you can take an existing kit, maybe not even make any box for it just toss them in a bag and its kind of fool proof since if the kits dont sell you can always discontinue them and just sell individual bushings like before.
But a nice box with a venom logo would be nice, i have a make shift one i use that was a little fishing kit before which works alright but its not a perfect fit.

[floyd0matic]

guys think about the all plastic being used for these kits the ozone and all...wait eliminator pack!! what are we waiting for?!?!?!?!? can i haz VENOM BUSHING KIT or dos

[colonel forbin]

this might as well get a bump. I'm really hoping this happens soon...

[Irrationalist]

this might as well get a bump. I'm really hoping this happens soon...

Agreed. I'd definitely buy into this.

[cmarts]

I think 3 weiight classes would be good. But, just a suggestion, you could sell custom ones for more money. It wouldnt be for everyone but if people wanted specialty kits theyd prolly pay more for it.

[colonel forbin]

Custom kits would be the ideal way to go. I would definitely pay more for the ability to choose both shape and durometer. I think 12 bushings per kit would be a pretty good number. IMO at least

[AntonL]

Custom kits would be the ideal way to go. I would definitely pay more for the ability to choose both shape and durometer. I think 12 bushings per kit would be a pretty good number. IMO at least

I think both pre-made kits and custom kits are very doable at the same price, its not like you lose anything from them, if anything you sell more bushings. and if you dont sell the kits well the bushings by themselves sell pretty well. its just a matter of getting it all set up for customers. i really dont see why one hasnt been made yet, its a killer idea.

[schwaf]

A custom kit defeats the purpose of a bushing kit altogether. People are buying kits to experiment with because they don't understand how to set them up, so the people who would benefit most from a bushing kit (read: beginners) would have no idea what-so-ever what to put in it. Either that or they just like having a predetermined assortment. If you want a customizable bushing kit, buy them separate and put them in your own plastic box. That saves everyone a headache. Sure, having these specialized weight/shape/combo kits would be fantastic, but that would also mean Zak would have the headache of coming up with what.... 12 or so different kits? Maybe more? That also means shops would have to decide what and how much of each to carry. Does nobody realize how ridiculous that entire fiasco is? Think about it, the people who benefit most from bushing kits really don't have a full understanding of what they want, hence the reason they buy an assortment. Would I buy a bushing kit for myself or another who knows what they like? No, because there would be unused bushings. That's money that would have been otherwise spent on bushings I would have used. Why make someone else assemble a kit just for you just because you are all too lazy to make it yourself?

[AntonL]

A custom kit defeats the purpose of a bushing kit altogether. People are buying kits to experiment with because they don't understand how to set them up, so the people who would benefit most from a bushing kit (read: beginners) would have no idea what-so-ever what to put in it. Either that or they just like having a predetermined assortment. If you want a customizable bushing kit, buy them separate and put them in your own plastic box. That saves everyone a headache. Sure, having these specialized weight/shape/combo kits would be fantastic, but that would also mean Zak would have the headache of coming up with what.... 12 or so different kits? Maybe more? That also means shops would have to decide what and how much of each to carry. Does nobody realize how ridiculous that entire fiasco is? Think about it, the people who benefit most from bushing kits really don't have a full understanding of what they want, hence the reason they buy an assortment. Would I buy a bushing kit for myself or another who knows what they like? No, because there would be unused bushings. That's money that would have been otherwise spent on bushings I would have used. Why make someone else assemble a kit just for you just because you are all too lazy to make it yourself?

I kind of agree but at the same time dont.
Its not lazy, its customizing what you want. and a kit implies somewhat of a discount for buying "bulk". Not everyone will want a kit to experiment for the first time. I have a pretty good idea of what i like and just want a handy kit with the bushings i want in it. A mid weight kit just happens to be exactly what i like so i would have no real use in a custom kit.
I personally vote for the 3 predetermined weight classes just to save the hassle of customizing a kit for people and risking mistakes and the hassle with that. plus 3 weight classes would be WAAAYYY easier to put up on a site rather then making a bunch of choices for you to pick from and what not.

[Viebster]

Schwaf, i agree with some. It really is too much to ask of. It would be amazing, but it's unrealistic to have custom kits.

To make it simple, i think it should be...

Light, Mid, Heavy, In barrel/barrel and barrel/cone.

Then also an eliminator option, but make it seperate from the barrel/barrel.