Flipping paris hangers

**Doors** · 11-17-2009 05:47 PM

Tried it today, does it change the angle? i thought i read that it became 45 degrees?

Did it originally so i could run a top bushing cup washer without it hitting, i think i really like it.

thanks in advance

**Terrorsathan** · 11-17-2009 05:55 PM

I bet it won't ride as baller as this

**flannelman** · 11-17-2009 06:03 PM

your right, that is a conventional truck...

flipping you paris hanger seems kind of stupid. sure it is lower, but it really isnt good for the truck. it has an offset bushing seat, so when flipped it has a larger space between the plate and the seat. in order to aline it, you have to shim the bushing, or just crank the pivot into the wrong spot. it really isnt designed to flip. you can do it, but it isnt good for it. i wouldnt. but i dont like flipped randals anyways.
also, flipping randals does not change the pivot angle!!! it changes the rake of the axle compared to the pivot. it stays a 35*, or 452* or 50* truck, but the axle reacts differently with pressure, because you moved the lever. and like i said, imo flipped trucks are not fun. they turn very badly.

**Cann0n** · 11-17-2009 06:16 PM

Originally Posted by Doors

Tried it today, does it change the angle? i thought i read that it became 45 degrees?

Did it originally so i could run a top bushing cup washer without it hitting, i think i really like it.

thanks in advance

Eh, I didn't notice a difference.

Your avatar... you look like you are leaning WAAAY forward... Do you skate like that or is that just a pose? Only reason I ask is because being lower won't matter if your center is too far forward.

**Petary791** · 11-17-2009 06:19 PM

Yo Conor it doesn't actually change the pivot angle, just the rake. I'm happy to see you're trying to fix your death trucks!!!

**Bomb303** · 11-17-2009 06:42 PM

you have to shim the bottom bushings a pretty ridiculous amount to get the busing to contact the hanger like it should. I dont like the feeling of flipped trucks, especially paris. You should just buy some randal baseplates if you dont like 50deg...

**Doors** · 11-17-2009 06:44 PM

Yeah im just messing with some ideas hahah, and i did shim with an extra washer... And yeah i skate like that i guess, im not really trying to make a lower truck, just messing around

**Cann0n** · 11-17-2009 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Doors

Yeah im just messing with some ideas hahah, and i did shim with an extra washer... And yeah i skate like that i guess, im not really trying to make a lower truck, just messing around

I was just wondering. Most the tucks you see, the front leg is 90* or obtuse. Yours is acute.

I tucked like that once... prone to diving head first.

But yeah, I wouldn't bother flipping Paris hangars. I find it pretty much a waste of time and life on your KP lock nut.

EDIT: I think it's more of a subconscious thing. If it makes you feel better, go for it.

**Doors** · 11-17-2009 07:49 PM

well it definetly changes the feel, the bottom bushing is more restricted, kinda nice with barrels

**FL_RIDER_93** · 11-17-2009 08:02 PM

It makes your board a lower and your bushing seats get flipped around so your bushings has a new seat so maybe a new feel to it. It changes the rake and yadda yadda yadda. Basically it just makes it more restrictive and takes some leverage away from the truck. Not that big of a difference if any. You can still turn the same amount you just got to push on the rails a little more.

**Cann0n** · 11-17-2009 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by FL_RIDER_93

It makes your board a lower and your bushing seats get flipped around so your bushings has a new seat so maybe a new feel to it. It changes the rake and yadda yadda yadda. Basically it just makes it more restrictive and takes some leverage away from the truck. Not that big of a difference if any. You can still turn the same amount you just got to push on the rails a little more.

I actually don't notice a difference... then again, I bomb on a Dervish and the biggest hills within a 2 hour drive are less than 45mph.

**origin** · 11-17-2009 08:20 PM

i think there's a noticeable enough amount of difference when paris' are flipped...when you go fast.

**Cann0n** · 11-17-2009 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by origin

i think there's a noticeable enough amount of difference when paris' are flipped...when you go fast.

Maybe 45+ mph.

**nateisgreat9** · 11-17-2009 09:54 PM

Just flipped mine and put some holey hourglasses on the bottoms. Trying out tomorrow.

**Wolfin** · 11-18-2009 12:03 AM

I have Randal 50* plates, and Paris hangars.. When I flip the hanger, all it really seems to do is lower the ride height and change which side gets the deep seat. Do you still have to shim the bushing and junk, with a Randal plate?

**Bomb303** · 11-18-2009 12:10 AM

You should IMO, but its not necessary. Paris and Randal basically the same baseplate. If you dont shim it, your pivot is going to sit in the cup wrong and the hanger will have very little contact with the bushing...

your choice. doesnt sound like a good ride to me.

**killdozer** · 11-18-2009 12:35 AM

I tried my Paris 180s flipped and unflipped on a few decks over the summer. I tried, barre/cone, barrel/barrel, eliminator/barrel, eliminator/eliminator... Shimmed and unshimmed. I also tried it top mounted and drop through. My end opinion is they are way better unflipped. It's cool that they sit lower when flipped and having the bigger bushing pocket facing boardside you can get some stability from more restrictive bushing activity, but that just comes down to rider stability. I now think, Paris in the standard setup with bushings more suited to your taste is the only way to go. If you want it to ride lower you can put Randall 42º plates on but then you loose a little bit of the turn radius if you are really into carving. If you can just get comfortable riding them at the standard height and find the right bushing combo you will benefit from their intended performance.

**glideronfreerides** · 11-18-2009 01:15 PM

I flip my rear hanger sometimes when I want more stability - this is on 42 plates - but mostly I prefer unflipped, as you do indeed get better turning. funny thing is I tried flipping both hangers when I first bought paris trucks, and hated it because of the lack of turn. I just happened to mistakenly mount the rear flipped one time between runs when I was messing with bushings... got to the bottom and thought, "damn, I must be getting really good cause that felt totally locked in!".

that being said, I distinctly recall someone here on silverfish claiming that when kevin reimer rode (rides?) cast trucks, they're flipped paris's with stock 50 degree basplates.

I could see that being a good alternative for high speed if you don't want to buy lower degreed randal basplates, or want a setup that is really easy to switch from carving to DH.

personally, I need to get a 35 degree BP one of these days and try 50/35, that seems like a winner imo.

I've never noticed a need to shim when flipped, but then, I only flip the rear and there must be enough compression for that not to be an issue.

**CasterTown** · 11-18-2009 01:35 PM

Unflipped is better for everything. Why would you want them flipped? Flipping them just takes away steer and leverage for no gain.

**JamieReis** · 11-18-2009 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Doors

well it definetly changes the feel, the bottom bushing is more restricted, kinda nice with barrels

And restricting the bottom bushing does what? Totally changes the function of the truck. They're not meant to operate in that manor.

Originally Posted by CasterTown

Unflipped is better for everything. Why would you want them flipped? Flipping them just takes away steer and leverage for no gain.

Thats absolutely true. Your bottom bushing acts as a prop wedging your hanger against the top bushing. The harder the bushing, the more tightly you will wedge your top bushing to your hanger. Thats pretty much the whole reason that running a softer bushing boardside and a harder one roadside is pointless or stupid.

*If you're trying to go faster, just know that the top bushing having the deeper seat is the better option.

*Flipping the hanger and not adjusting for the bottom bushing to be flush with the baseplate and flush with the hanger will lead to uneven pivot cup wear (adding jank and play,) and an uneven roll center.

*Paris hangers are not offset like Randals. The only way you are lowering the ride is if you don't add washers and your bottom bushing isn't sitting flush.

*If you do add washers, its the same ride height and you're moving the deeper bushing seat to the bottom bushing.

So, if it is lower now than before, your bushing needs propped. If the bushing is propped, it's going to be less stable because of the bushing seat scenario.

Flip em back. If you want a more stable ride, lower ride, or want to downhill on them, purchase 2 Randal 42* Plates, and mess with bushings.