Venom Eliminators in Paris trucks... A How To

**killdozer** · 01-16-2010 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by dmackanic

Wouldn't this mod take away the purpose of the eliminators?
I really like the feel of having the step inside of the bushing seat like it does in my bears. It feels really stable

On the contrary it makes it all the more stable. The step is there to fit into the step in certain truck bushing seat faces. Paris hangers don't have this, so taking the step off fixes that issue. It makes it even more stable. I took my deck out on some faster runs yesterday testing this and it was much more stable.

**Kevin in Edmonton** · 02-06-2010 04:31 PM

Zomfg bump zomfg

**jkuo** · 02-06-2010 10:48 PM

w8 so how are you supposed to mount elims? sorta confused. what's the normal way to do it. -- is the side with the inverted bump facing towards the hanger or away? and is it the same for the top and bottom bushing. thx

**killdozer** · 02-07-2010 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by jkuo

w8 so how are you supposed to mount elims? sorta confused. what's the normal way to do it. -- is the side with the inverted bump facing towards the hanger or away? and is it the same for the top and bottom bushing. thx

Elims were made for Precision trucks originally, so the part with the concave surface was meant to ride on the spherical bearing in precision truck hangers. So that part would be facing the hanger normally on precision trucks with spherical bearings in the hanger. But if you have cast trucks without the bearing then it's not as important. I usually use the flat side facing the hanger depending on what kind of truck I am using. If it's Paris trucks however I shave that part off as described at the beginning of this thread so they will fit properly. On Randal or Bear trucks it's different. It will depend on your trucks.

**jessse** · 02-07-2010 12:46 AM

iv always thought that aswell, but iv never really cered wich way it goes.

**jkuo** · 02-07-2010 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by killdozer

Elims were made for Precision trucks originally, so the part with the concave surface was meant to ride on the spherical bearing in precision truck hangers. So that part would be facing the hanger normally on precision trucks with spherical bearings in the hanger. But if you have cast trucks without the bearing then it's not as important. I usually use the flat side facing the hanger depending on what kind of truck I am using. If it's Paris trucks however I shave that part off as described at the beginning of this thread so they will fit properly. On Randal or Bear trucks it's different. It will depend on your trucks.

so it DOESN'T matter how you put it on, and you only need to shave off the bottom bushing right?

**killdozer** · 02-07-2010 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by jkuo

so it DOESN'T matter how you put it on, and you only need to shave off the bottom bushing right?

That's right, however you will find that Elims on the top of Paris hangers is CRAZY restrictive due to the raised walls of the bushing seat. You would be better off with a cone or a barrel on top. But try it out and see how you like it. Setups are all about feel and no ONE way to do it is right. I have seen some crazy stuff out there.

**SheepGoToHeaven** · 02-09-2010 03:35 AM

Did it and love it already.

**Arcadium** · 02-12-2010 05:10 PM

fits like a charm i run mine on top and it does well for sliding and freeriding
yes it is pretty restricted though but it turns very smooth and feels very stable

**boogaloo28** · 02-12-2010 05:43 PM

is the OD (outer diameter) on an eliminator that much larger than a standard barrel?

**killdozer** · 02-12-2010 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by boogaloo28

is the OD (outer diameter) on an eliminator that much larger than a standard barrel?

It's a few Millimeters, not terribly different but it's enough that an Eliminator that isn't modded will allow the hanger to slide around side to side. Remember a little bit of small side to side movement at pushing speed equates to BIG trouble at speed. Try it stock and then grab the wheels and you'll see the hanger will just slide side to side no matter how tight you make it. My mod eliminates the problem.

**Bomb303** · 02-12-2010 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by killdozer

It's a few Millimeters, not terribly different but it's enough that an Eliminator that isn't modded will allow the hanger to slide around side to side. Remember a little bit of small side to side movement at pushing speed equates to BIG trouble at speed. Try it stock and then grab the wheels and you'll see the hanger will just slide side to side no matter how tight you make it. My mod eliminates the problem.

I wouldnt say a big problem... A lot of people have taken stock eliminators to high speeds on paris trucks. Plus, to a point, slop will actually make a truck more stable since it doesnt react to every small movement.

I never noticed a considerable amount of slop with elim bottom/barrel top in my back truck for pumping. It was quite effective.

**killdozer** · 02-12-2010 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bomb303

I wouldnt say a big problem... A lot of people have taken stock eliminators to high speeds on paris trucks. Plus, to a point, slop will actually make a truck more stable since it doesnt react to every small movement.

I never noticed a considerable amount of slop with elim bottom/barrel top in my back truck for pumping. It was quite effective.

If you're used to the feel of it and it works for you then that's good. I noticed a problem and considering there is a difference in contact surfaces from an Elim and a Barrel I chose to fix the issue. How you can say that slop or play at high speed is desired at all baffles me. Then what are the benefits of precision trucks? That doesn't make sense, but like I said if it works for you then do what you're used to. And you said you didn't notice it while pumping on your rear tuck. OK you were pumping, that isn't riding at speed. I specifically said that a small amount of play at pushing speed would go unnoticed. If you like shaky hangers when traveling fast then you have more guts than I do.

**Bomb303** · 02-12-2010 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by killdozer

If you're used to the feel of it and it works for you then that's good. I noticed a problem and considering there is a difference in contact surfaces from an Elim and a Barrel I chose to fix the issue. How you can say that slop or play at high speed is desired at all baffles me. Then what are the benefits of precision trucks? That doesn't make sense, but like I said if it works for you then do what you're used to. And you said you didn't notice it while pumping on your rear tuck. OK you were pumping, that isn't riding at speed. I specifically said that a small amount of play at pushing speed would go unnoticed. If you like shaky hangers when traveling fast then you have more guts than I do.

Never said it was desired, I said it can make them feel more stable... only up to a point of course, you never want much slop. Main benefit of precisions imo are just the tighter axles tolerances.

Im sure the better contact with the hanger feels good, but with a barrel on top I really dont get a lot of the side to side play youre talking about.

I know pumping isnt riding at speed, I have ridden with guys who have ridden elim/barrel combos at plenty high speeds. Thats all I was saying.

**killdozer** · 02-12-2010 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by Bomb303

Never said it was desired, I said it can make them feel more stable... only up to a point of course, you never want much slop. Main benefit of precisions imo are just the tighter axles tolerances.

Im sure the better contact with the hanger feels good, but with a barrel on top I really dont get a lot of the side to side play youre talking about.

I know pumping isnt riding at speed, I have ridden with guys who have ridden elim/barrel combos at plenty high speeds. Thats all I was saying.

What I noticed before I did this mod was the ability for the hangers to pitch left and right in a straight line. Cornering wasn't as bad, but over rougher terrain the hangers were sketchy. By taking off the lip on one side this was eliminated. lol No pun intended. If you have a few old ones around try it out and lemme know if you can tell the difference.

**igotscars** · 02-13-2010 12:32 PM

Oops double post

**igotscars** · 02-13-2010 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Shift

I rarely have the spherical side facing the hanger because that side rarely fully seats; it's taller.

I always ride mine spherical side down...

**SheepGoToHeaven** · 02-26-2010 04:16 PM

After riding this setup on a few more faster runs. I wanted to ask some people who run double barrels what they think is more stable on straight runs?

Elim bottom(deck side) and barrel top(ground side)

Double barrel

Barrel top elim bottom

double elim? lol

Havent even tried double barrels yet but im gonna try a divine barrel top and 93a venom barrel bottom on the front truck.

my rear truck has 97 elim bottom and 93 venom barrel top

**Jez** · 11-15-2010 11:19 PM

took this a step further for indies. Chopped the spherical side and placed in upside down (so the flat bit faced down into a big flat washer. Perfect mating, and the height is exactly the same as a stock Indy bottom.

**limbosoul** · 02-28-2011 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by killdozer

This is a tuning informational thread to pass on some good information on using a Venom Eliminator as a bottom bushing in Paris hangers. I know some people use Elims in their stock form in Paris hangers and like them. What they MAY not realize is the stepped end of the bushing that contacts the hanger has a smaller circumference than a barrel. This smaller circumference allows play within the bushing seat and the byproduct of this is hanger play regardless of how tight you run the kingpin. If you use stock Eliminators now in Paris hangers what I would ask you do is flip the board over on your lap. Grab the wheels, or hanger ends and rock the hanger back and forth. You will notice other than the lean/turn, there will be side to side sliding of the hanger as the step on the bushing moves within the bushing seat. There is no way it doesn't do this, regardless of what type of top bushing you use. If it doesn't, then you have some different design I haven't seen yet.

I really like the way the rebound of the Eliminator style bushing feels in a proper bushing seat, however was bummed out that they felt gross in Paris hangers due to this design. And since Paris are my favorite cast truck I was on a mission to make this work. So here is what I did. Took me about 5 minutes and made all the difference in the world.

What you want to do is get a serrated knife and shave off the flat steps (not the spherical side). Once you do this it will be a little ugly and uneven, so you just then place the bushing flat on the top of your deck on the grip tape and with a back and forth motion smooth the rest of the side so it is flat. So it will look like this.

Stock 85a Eliminator on the left and a modified 90a Eliminator busing on the right.

What this does is transform the contact in the bushing seat from this

To this; and as you can see the entire bushing now fills the bushing seat properly.

From looking at the two photos above you can see how much more contact you have in the bushing seat. When mounting everything up I found that since the bushing is even shorter that I benefited from using a taller 3/8" nut to protect the top of the kingpin since more threads are exposed. This is what the final setup looks like, using flat washers with 90a Eliminators on the bottom and 85a barrels on top.

As for feel with this setup? Any and all dead spots are gone. It feels as if there is complete response at all portions of lean and rebound is smooth and deliberate. If anyone else has tried this I would like to hear your thoughts. If you use stock Eliminators in Paris trucks I would suggest you try this. Thanks for reading!

Hello Killdozer,
Please could you put the pictures back to make shure I'll do it correctly?
Thanks a lot.