This is a tuning informational thread to pass on some good information on using a Venom Eliminator as a bottom bushing in Paris hangers. I know some people use Elims in their stock form in Paris hangers and like them. What they MAY not realize is the stepped end of the bushing that contacts the hanger has a smaller circumference than a barrel. This smaller circumference allows play within the bushing seat and the byproduct of this is hanger play regardless of how tight you run the kingpin. If you use stock Eliminators now in Paris hangers what I would ask you do is flip the board over on your lap. Grab the wheels, or hanger ends and rock the hanger back and forth. You will notice other than the lean/turn, there will be side to side sliding of the hanger as the step on the bushing moves within the bushing seat. There is no way it doesn't do this, regardless of what type of top bushing you use. If it doesn't, then you have some different design I haven't seen yet.
I really like the way the rebound of the Eliminator style bushing feels in a proper bushing seat, however was bummed out that they felt gross in Paris hangers due to this design. And since Paris are my favorite cast truck I was on a mission to make this work. So here is what I did. Took me about 5 minutes and made all the difference in the world.
What you want to do is get a serrated knife and shave off the flat steps (not the spherical side). Once you do this it will be a little ugly and uneven, so you just then place the bushing flat on the top of your deck on the grip tape and with a back and forth motion smooth the rest of the side so it is flat. So it will look like this.
Stock 85a Eliminator on the left and a modified 90a Eliminator busing on the right.
What this does is transform the contact in the bushing seat from this
To this; and as you can see the entire bushing now fills the bushing seat properly.
From looking at the two photos above you can see how much more contact you have in the bushing seat. When mounting everything up I found that since the bushing is even shorter that I benefited from using a taller 3/8" nut to protect the top of the kingpin since more threads are exposed. This is what the final setup looks like, using flat washers with 90a Eliminators on the bottom and 85a barrels on top.
As for feel with this setup? Any and all dead spots are gone. It feels as if there is complete response at all portions of lean and rebound is smooth and deliberate. If anyone else has tried this I would like to hear your thoughts. If you use stock Eliminators in Paris trucks I would suggest you try this. Thanks for reading!
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Last edited by killdozer; 01-14-2010 at 10:36 AM..
I definitely did notice the same thing you did when trying elims with Paris, was pretty bewildered when people suggested that they fit. They felt craptastic and sloppy.
Nice write-up . Any word on how an elim fits the top seat?
Sweet little write up. I will def. have to give this a try as Paris are some of my favorite cast trucks as well. Nice work!
Thanks my brotha... It feels really good and gives a little added controlled lean. Just remember that you will end up having to screw the kingpin nut down a bit further since the bushing is short. Getting the taller nut helped a bit. I used 3/8" by 3/4" nuts. I think they were $.20 each so no biggie lol.
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does the hanger still sit in the pivot cup at the correct angle?
Yes sir it does. The 2mm you loose in height doesn't effect the pivot at all. If you try it, you'll see. If however your washers are thinner than mine, then it's perfectly acceptable to use 2 instead of one to shim it up.
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I definitely did notice the same thing you did when trying elims with Paris, was pretty bewildered when people suggested that they fit. They felt craptastic and sloppy.
Nice write-up . Any word on how an elim fits the top seat?
Thanks man, as far as the top, it fits but can be very restrictive since the bushing seat area is so deep and it hits the sides of the busing pretty early on in the lean. If you were to put a soft one on top it may work. I haven't tried it since a barrel feels really good on top.
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Last edited by killdozer; 01-14-2010 at 10:17 AM..
Always the curious one I had to try this. And yeah it works, removes slop for sure.
This is a cool "trick" for making your Paris feel more "precision-ish"
If you use pretty soft elims and crank it down a bit, you get a more solid/stable center, but decent lean and turn when you need it.
I still prefer the surfier and more turny feel of all barrels though. But if I had one deck only for freeride and DH, I'd use this setup for anything fast, and go all barrels for the freeride fun.
This is a cool "trick" for making your Paris feel more "precision-ish" If you use pretty soft elims and crank it down a bit, you get a more solid/stable center, but decent lean and turn when you need it.
That is the term I wanted to use but didn't quite know how to explain it. That hit the nail on the head.
just cut mine and did a quick static test and i still gotta go with blix and say i like the way double barrels feel but i gotta ride this to test em, is it a bad idea to shim up the elim with the donut i cut off and stick it between the washer and the elim? ill probably just use double washers or something when i ride tomorrow
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How convenient. I just got some paris 180's and venoms this week. i got yellow and purple barrels and orange elims. I was planning on setting it up exactly like you have there. rep for yoooooo!
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i feel like an idiot saying this but i thought the bushings went in with the dug out part facing the hanger. reason being, when their in a hanger that has spericals. the bearing wont cut it up.
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i feel like an idiot saying this but i thought the bushings went in with the dug out part facing the hanger. reason being, when their in a hanger that has spericals. the bearing wont cut it up.
I rarely have the spherical side facing the hanger because that side rarely fully seats; it's taller.
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I rarely have the spherical side facing the hanger because that side rarely fully seats; it's taller.
i run the upside down in my indys for this very reason.
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Wouldn't this mod take away the purpose of the eliminators?
I really like the feel of having the step inside of the bushing seat like it does in my bears. It feels really stable
Venom Eliminators in Paris trucks... A How To
. Any word on how an elim fits the top seat?
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