$2 Asphalt Kiss (or Nuts & Bolts)

[bgon]

With the local skateshops being 99.9% streetminded I guess I should have not been surprised when a multi-shop trip left me with no mounting hardware longer than an inch. I kind of feel like an idiot that it took me a day or so to think of going to an actual hardware store to get the "hardware" I needed.

My question:
Is "skate branded" $3 hardware actually any stronger or lock nuts more "lockier" (I have a copyright on this word) than the $.80 set of hardware I picked up at the hardware store? I like silver better anyway. I bought sets in a vaI just don't want to have me, my deck and my trucks suddenly depart in differing directions .

[Crimpshrine]

Well I use the bolts I got from the hardware store with some lock nuts from a set of skate hardware. The nuts I got from the hardware store just didn't work for me for some reason. Don't know why.

[EBasil]

My question:
Is "skate branded" $3 hardware actually any stronger or lock nuts more "lockier" (I have a copyright on this word) than the $.80 set of hardware I picked up at the hardware store?

HECK No! Sometimes, it's lesser, not better.

That said, the hardware that Khiro, Abec-11 and some others sell is high quality stuff that many hardware stores just don't stock.

[holikujak]

hardware store hardware will strip and you have to use a dremel to ge them off, and never use anything but nylock nuts, just order skate hardware

[GPymp]

..Khiro sells a kit that has every nut and bolt you will need from Kick flippers to long boards to slalom boards. Look under new arrivals.

www.milehighskates.com

[Crazy G.]

A lot of the $3 hardware I have noticed has a diferent threading than the normal stuff that I would pick up from a hardware store. Just my two cents...

[CRASS]

yup.

and all the bolts/nuts at the ACE here, the nuts strip the threads off the bolts coz there's a slight angle difference in the threads.

I can stand paying a little more for better quality.

[McPhenius]

Similar to speed rings and bearing spacers. Both Lowes & Home Depot didn't have those. The speed ring, a Home Depot guy suggested looking at the plumbing section!

I find it easier just to invest and buy a handful to keep on hand.

I guess my question would be on hardware between brands like Shorties, etc. Is there that big of a difference?

[GPymp]

..Includes: (8) Eight, 1 Inch - Khiro HardCore 10/32 truss-head bolts; (8) Eight, 1.5 Inch - Khiro HardCore 10/32 truss-head bolts; (8) Eight, 2 Inch - Khiro HardCore 10/32 truss-head bolts; (8) Eight, 2.5 Inch - Khiro HardCore 10/32 truss-head bolts; (8) Eight, 3 Inch - Khiro HardCore 10/32 truss-head bolts. Kit also includes 16 Nylon lock nuts for a total of 56 pieces.

[oldnbroken]

Quality hardware at cheap prices can be had from your local nut and bolt or fastener supply house in most cities of any size. Unfortunately hardware stores, Home Depot and Lowes vary greatly in what they carry. For the nuts and bolts used in attaching trucks you just need the fine thread version as opposed to coarse thread and they will fit existing hardware and not crossthread. Grade 8 kingpin bolts and nuts also are available in a fine thread and coarse thread version. The skate supply houses buy them from the same nut and bolt distributors, nothing special there. Local bearing supply houses also carry (608) skate bearings of various brands and ABEC grades if you are in a pinch but I have found that the prices from skate supply ditributors are competitive and I want to keep cash flow going to those guys so they stay open for business and show us all the cool new stuff. My two cents.

[Mile_High_Mark]

We sell tons of the "bulk" skateshop hardware. I've never broken a bolt, and I use it on all my boards. We also stock some vintage Dead Bolt hardware. I tried bending on of their allen/truss heads with some knock-off Channel Locks, and the latter snapped before the bolt even hinted at bending.

[bgon]

FYI - I think I avoided the stripping concern by simply taking one of my indy 1"bolt w/ lock nut to my local hardware store and said I want 16 of these nuts same thread and style (with the nylon) and 24 of these bolts same thread in a variety of 1.25-1.75 lengths with the same thread.

Unless they're going to break on me I'll stick w/ my $2.40 baggie of silver countersunk hardware instead of the $16.?? Khiro plastic box, black old school top set. Yes, I realize the Khiro set has a bunch of other stuff but I just want my trucks to stay on and want to be able to try different riser setups without having to pay $3 plus shipping and tax and a week. Plus, I kind of like my hardware silver and flat on top of my deck. I think I'll spend the saved $14 towards Khiros variety pack of wedged risers.

[Bushman]

just rememebr when you go to the hardware bins in a machine shop or store, that there are: UNF (universal fine thread), UNC (universal coarse thread), British or Italian thread/reverse thread , Metric, Imperial..........you get my drift.

I think that a lot of people may have mixed up Metric and Imperial or used UNC or UNF bolts/nuts with each other., hence the probs...

dont forget about the cheap galvanized, brass, plastic, stainless steel, grade 1-8 bolts, Milspec bolts, Aerospec bolts etc..

wheee confused yet!!!!
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[bgon]

Confuse me. Confuse me.

That's actually the kind of input I was looking for althogh I don't think I got plastic (wait... they did seem light and Hardware Store Steve made me sign a waiver when I told him my intended use).

I'll admit that I don't know how to undestand the technical strength of the bolts but on further contemplation I doubt all four (or 3 of 4) are going to simultaneously break. And wouldn't the stripping problem be covered by the fact that I finger threaded them together to the nylon to verify that Steve gave me the right stuff. They don't seem stripped now on my board w/ 1/8" tightened through the nut. I actually did go to a real hardware store (not Home Depot) where the guy who helped me had been selling nuts and bolts for the past 20 years.

Who knows, maybe Steve and his buddies are at the tractor pulls laughing even now thinking of how the trucks are going to fall off my board when I'm finally in the middle of figuring out how to get in that 50-50 position at vert.

All sarcasm aside, I appreciate the input and just wanted to make sure it hadn't been discovered during my 25 years off a board that skate hardware had to be of some special grade or your trucks would fall off. I thought I used hardware store hardware in my past skate life but really can't remember it was so long ago.

Thanks again. I love this site.

[bean-a-reano]

I've bought a khiro kit and like it for certain things, like foamcore boards. I have skate hardware and ACE hardware. I've even bought the caorse stuff just to see what it was like. I find it all works. I don't ust the coarse thread stuff though so I don't confuse myself. Only difference is I can find the sizes I want at the price I want a t ACE.

[crawdad62]

(wait... they did seem light and Hardware Store Steve made me sign a waiver when I told him my intended use).

What?! Now I've heard everything. I buy all my hardware at....... the hardware store. Nylon filled lock nuts. Button head (not a fan of counter sunk) stainless bolts.

I go in there all the time and I'm always looking for something strange. Usually something the guy looks at me like I'm crazy but I've never had to sign a release to buy something from them. It'll never happen either. If they made me sign something I'd be on my merry way.

I'd either buy from an online skateshop or go to a different hardware store.

[Mister Surly]

Hardware Store Steve made me sign a waiver when I told him my intended use).

WTF!? "my intended use would be shove this waiver........"

i use 10/32 stainless hardware mostly. never have/had a problem with it.
i can get ANY size from home depot or lowe$ stores. also, it comes in allen head, phillips, or flat. i hate ordering a bunch of nuts/bolts for more money and shipping when i can pick it up locally.

[bgon]

Twas Humor (or at least intended to be so). Now, the serious take was actually much funnier than my attempt at humor.

The screws were obviously not plastic and Mr. Hardware could have cared less what I was using them for.

[crawdad62]

Twas Humor (or at least intended to be so). Now, the serious take was actually much funnier than my attempt at humor.

Ah. What's that? The sound of one hand clapping.

[Rustyfriend]

i have tried to find long skate hardware at true value, but they don't stock the threading. but what i can get these is all the hardware nylock i will ever need, any length kingpin, large kingpin bolts, and any length exkate hardware