DH and R2

**bean-a-reano** · 11-11-2004 03:39 AM

Has anyone tried putting a Dh baseplate in the rear and an R2 plate in the front. Probably with 180 hangars? I'm hoping it would be stable at speed, but also turn well.

Thoughts? Dares?

Would the board be uneven?

Is this a stupid idea?

Let me know (all except LBL) I already know he thinks I'm stupid

**crash** · 11-11-2004 04:59 AM

the lack of downhill base plates is keping me from testing the idea myself. it seems logical, kind of like the seismics with the 45 in front and 30 in back that a lot of people ride.

what about the difference in height. with the DH bases, wouldn't the back sit lower than the front? I s'pose you might be able to even it out with a riser or something.

**akary** · 11-11-2004 08:19 AM

Originally Posted by crash

the lack of downhill base plates is keping me from testing the idea myself. it seems logical, kind of like the seismics with the 45 in front and 30 in back that a lot of people ride.

it is a good idea, perhaps to imitate this angle difference in leu of DH baseplates you could put a flat riser under the front truck and a negative/backward angled riser on the back, both with R2s. just tool around with different heights to get even height between the ends.

what improvement happens when the front truck is more turny than the back anyway?

**Captain Hampton** · 11-11-2004 08:50 AM

Makes your ride more akin to a big car, like a cadillac. In all seriousness, it makes your rear truck turn less which makes for a more stable ride. Take a look at the Landy Evo or DH, both have negative angled rear trucks.

**crash** · 11-11-2004 09:06 AM

akary,

that sounds like a good idea 'cept for the height problems. damn randalls are so high anyway that I just don't feel safe footbraking. it feels like stepping off of a curb when I do. with more riser it would be worse. hell, regular pushing pumps up more board leg sometimes. though now that you've mentioned the idea it might be worth a go just to see how it feels

**RustyBurrito55** · 11-11-2004 09:40 AM

i juat got rustyfriend a dh baseplate for his birthday so he has that setup. he should be posting soon...

**Thaison** · 11-11-2004 10:26 AM

I tried that setup on my Landy DH, regular R2 up fornt with a flipped hangar and a DH base plate with a flipped 180 hangar at the back. It worked fine as long as your not doing straight bombing, I got wome wobbles in the front on a somewhat steep hill, with a semi-tight front truck. As for the un-eveness, I thought it was pretty cool. Since the board was lower in the back it made kicking and braking a bit easier, or at least thats how I experienced it. Another thing that I'm guessing the geometry of the trucks does is that it makes the truck angles similar to a couple of DH randals on an evo since the R2 baseplate has 50 degree angle, not sure about this though, but its definately a nice ride if you want mellow speed and a decent manouverability.

**boogaloo28** · 11-11-2004 01:16 PM

Not exactly the same thing but similar concept:
I recently traded some gumballs for a single R2 baseplate w/ stim and DH hangar and have it set up on the front of my North Tahoe Board Co. Special edition (pointy kick nose and tail 36" board) with an Indy 169 in the back and 65mm 88a No Schoolz.
Pretty much the same as what you would get with a DH in the back i think. I have 2 eight inch risers under the indy to even out the ride and prevent wheelbite and no risers up front (the front is still a little taller than the back, damn tall ass randals)
This is a pretty sweet setup, turns real nice from the front of the board and real stable at speed (especially for such a small longboard)
Julien

**silversurfer** · 11-11-2004 03:45 PM

If you don't want the rear lower than the front, solve this problem
by flipping the front hangar and leave the rear un flipped.

Or even it out with some 1/8" or 1/16" risers.

**Rustyfriend** · 11-11-2004 06:03 PM

nice rustyburrito...your right. i just used my dh plate in the rear today...HOTTTTTT......no signs of wobbles using my homemade dropped board and 101 flys...stable indeed

**bean-a-reano** · 11-11-2004 10:19 PM

I thought of the idea after bombing some parking garages that have some tight 180 degree turns which the DH bases didn't like very much. Very stable indeed however not as manueverable as I wanted. Then I switched to the R2 bases with soft bottom and medium top indy bushings. Got some wobbels at about 25mph. I thought this would be a good in between.

I have never been sure, but when you say top bushing is this with the wheels facing up or down? I think of it as wheels facing down.

Is there a difference in puting one bushing or another on the top or bottom?

**Rustyfriend** · 11-12-2004 02:01 PM

the bottom bushing is the bushing closest to the baseplate...switching top and bottom.....never tried it but it probably stable one way and super turny the other way

**BOMBHILLER** · 11-12-2004 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by bean-a-reano

Has anyone tried putting a Dh baseplate in the rear and an R2 plate in the front. Probably with 180 hangars? I'm hoping it would be stable at speed, but also turn well.

I have that set up on my slalom deck except for the hangers which are RII 150mm.
It's really a carving machine with no drift around the cones on the fastest section of the course. It's an awesome set up for slalom!!!! 8)

**bean-a-reano** · 11-13-2004 03:34 AM

Well I tried out my theory today. I think I like it. Now if I could only get some better bushings to tune it right.

Anyone care to donate some green stims?.....for scientific purposes of course.

Anyways I had an 1/8th riser under both trucks, but the rear was still too low. I put another soft riser under the Dh plate and wallaa Close enough for who its for.

I am trying to turn the swift 40 into the ultimate parkinng garage bomber. 8) so you know. It faired well on the local hill I ride. Good at carving and straight speed. I love my swift.

Also found some locals in the skate shop who do coffin runs at the nearby parking structures. Hope to session with them soon.

**frank** · 11-13-2004 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by bean-a-reano

Anyone care to donate some green stims?.....for scientific purposes of course.

hhmmm yellow, yellow, yellow, yellow, blue, ah here green 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12. Nope dont have enough

**RustyBurrito55** · 11-13-2004 07:35 PM

if you seriously have that many..... heres how many i have. 2 just 2 stims

**Michael Billings** · 11-13-2004 08:30 PM

I have two also, but I am satisfied because radikal bushings are almost similar.

**crash** · 11-14-2004 05:27 AM

bean-a-reno,

have you tried combinations of flipped and unflipped hangars to even it out? I think I might want to try your idea out soon on a speed board or ditch board. would flipped front and unflipped rear even them out without risers? don't want to loose the advantages of a dropped board by jacking it up with too many risers. now I just got to find the link to that store that sells randall baseplates by themselves.....