Hey, I'm pretty new to these guys but I'm sick of the squeaks and sqwacks. Is this just part of the life with the Original trucks or is there a decent way to get rid of them.
Pumping is just painful to my virgin ears... and the harder and longer I pump the louder and more painful it gets.
I ride the board probably 3-4 times a week for a nice hard 2 hr session. By the end of the week I'll be ripping it apart, cleaning it out and relubing it (the famed white lithium grease)
These all return to cause me pain next week.
I have also sanded it down with various grits (down to a fine grit sandpaper 320)
I looked at old posts and some people only have to do this once a month?
My main questions are, is this sort of maintenance how it is? that is fine.. I just want to know what to expect.
Are there any tips or tricks when greasing/sanding to get rid of this noise?
I have e-mailed original on a few occasions getting Derek who's latest solution is to send the trucks back; the problem is then i have no board for awhile, and i feel like I should be able fix er up as good as they can.
Thanks in advance, just looking for other peoples experience and know-how
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You're lubing the wrong parts.
Your trucks are squeaking because your bushings are dry.
Invest in some good quality silicon based lubricant, pull off your kingpin and wipe that stuff onto either sides of your bushings. Put some in the hangar cup, too.
I used to have the same problem.
Now my board truly is ninja. Completely silent.
Make sure not to use something like WD-40. It will eat through your bushings.
Rule of thumb; if you wouldn't put it on your member, don't use it.
(Although, I've never heard of anybody lubing their bushings with KY. I suppose it could be done...)
FYI,wrong link.He said Original trucks.
The noise(rattling/metal-to-metal sound)is the washers.It should only rattle in the
neutral/center position & when your turning/carving they should quiet up.To alleviate that problem replace the two metal washers w/nylon ones.One washer you'll have to drill out to match the large inside diameter.A good hardware store should have the nylon washers
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it depends on how dirty and dusty the roads you are riding on are. 3-4 times 2 hours each time on a dusty and sandy road would probably cause alot of stuff to get stuck on the cams. i too will take apart the trucks if i ride alot in a week or two.
my advise is to not over grease them, my logic is that if there's too much grease then there's more surface for dust and stuff to stick onto.
also just checking, you're not using the spray on grease are you?
I know what your speaking about, I think it's the cams and springs - this pissed me off alot too.
My dad gave it a quick look then told me to get the tuncan powder (fine powder lubricant)
-Chucked that on the cams ( all over, though particularly the area where the cams move on each other.
THIS ACTUALLY WORKS, no more squeaks.
And about you having to lube your stuff every week, that's because the oil/lube remains or gets into the cams from the other parts and this friction causes the squeaking.
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bushings?
who said anything about bushings?
werd on teh street is that trucks that don't turn are all the rage and eliminate teh wobbles ykno
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I know what your speaking about, I think it's the cams and springs - this pissed me off alot too.
My dad gave it a quick look then told me to get the tuncan powder (fine powder lubricant)
-Chucked that on the cams ( all over, though particularly the area where the cams move on each other.
THIS ACTUALLY WORKS, no more squeaks.
And about you having to lube your stuff every week, that's because the oil/lube remains or gets into the cams from the other parts and this friction causes the squeaking.
Contact me for more info.
READ THIS I KNOW YOUR PROBLEM AND HOW TO FIX IT
wait, im pretty sure lube on the cams reduces friction. the squeaking comes from the cam rubbing against the metal cam housing when then hanger turns (hence causing the cam to rotate withing the housing). lube that area and cams don't squeak.
it is not necessary to lube any other part of the truck except the cam and the housing ime.
Do you have any suggested tips or tricks that you find are best for when you lubricate the cams?
I find there is a fine line which I haven't quite mastered. Too much and it picks up alot of dirt, not enough and it doesn't lubricate.
Have you gone through any cams? I just tossed in my spare set. When comparing the two sets my old cams just don't seem to stay slick anymore. so i'm trying to coat them in layers to get them to retain some lubricant (coating them & letting them sit and then going back and coating them until i get that nice slick feel compared to knew ones). From other stuff i read there is suggestion that the cams are somewhat "impregnated" with lubricant which keeps them slick and riding smooth longer. The old cams don't appear to be doing too well.
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60" Freeride Surf-rodz
Originals 10s
75 mm 72 a Avila with Bones Reds (My Lincoln Continental) Flowing Stoke
37" "Path" Original Skateboards
Original S 8s truck
70 mm 80 A Lime Retros with Cell swiss bearings. (My Dirt Bike) Carvey goodness
wait, im pretty sure lube on the cams reduces friction. the squeaking comes from the cam rubbing against the metal cam housing when then hanger turns (hence causing the cam to rotate withing the housing). lube that area and cams don't squeak.
it is not necessary to lube any other part of the truck except the cam and the housing ime.
Oh yeah stuffed up my wording there, i was saying when your using the other lube and oils possibly from on the springs not the tuscan, and I dont think you have to put tuscan on the housing just over the cam and it gets in between both ( Don't want to have uncessary amounts, the cops will come to your house following the the white trial which they thought was illicit drugs)
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It's like fat chicks wearing jogging shoes... Of course they don't jog, their fat.
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bushings?
who said anything about bushings?
werd on teh street is that trucks that don't turn are all the rage and eliminate teh wobbles ykno
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Re: Original Trucks and the Squeaks and Sqwacks
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Hey Cilibird,
Do you have any suggested tips or tricks that you find are best for when you lubricate the cams?
I find there is a fine line which I haven't quite mastered. Too much and it picks up alot of dirt, not enough and it doesn't lubricate.
Have you gone through any cams? I just tossed in my spare set. When comparing the two sets my old cams just don't seem to stay slick anymore. so i'm trying to coat them in layers to get them to retain some lubricant (coating them & letting them sit and then going back and coating them until i get that nice slick feel compared to knew ones). From other stuff i read there is suggestion that the cams are somewhat "impregnated" with lubricant which keeps them slick and riding smooth longer. The old cams don't appear to be doing too well.
i don't think you're doing anything wrong with lubing the cams its just that you use the board alot hence alot of dirt gets stuck in there, but basically i make sure that there is just one thin layer of grease on the cams and the housing. no extra blobs or anything like that. its not quite a fine line really, just dip your finger in the grease and start rubbing it around the cam and housing, just make sure there isn't a thick layer of grease.
no i haven't gone through any cams yet, but i do realize that the cams do get slightly rougher through use but it doesn't seem to be a problem for me yet. And i honestly don't think there's "impregnated cam lubricant" they look like regular plastic cams, although i could be mistaken.
original trucks do require more maintenance than standard trucks so be prepared to take them apart to clean them.
good luck.
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Oh yeah stuffed up my wording there, i was saying when your using the other lube and oils possibly from on the springs not the tuscan, and I dont think you have to put tuscan on the housing just over the cam and it gets in between both ( Don't want to have uncessary amounts, the cops will come to your house following the the white trial which they thought was illicit drugs)
lol, does the tuscan powder work as well as you say it does though, how often do you have to "powder" the cams?
well what i mean by impregnated I get a fresh cam and she is slick.. then i take my old cam (which i have sanded with a fine fine sand paper to get some of the crud off). To say the least not looking great. I can put a nice layer of white lithium grease on it, come back in 4-5 hrs and she no longer feels slick. put a little more on come back in 4-5 hrs.. a little slicker. Once more, now she is feeling like she wants to move freely. I also noticed every time I did this it actually got a little cleaner (some of the black was coming out of the cam and less gritty). This leads to suggest that there is crud somehow right in the top layer of the cam (small pours) The other thing I realized is that whiter lithium grease appears to be hydrophobic, so if the cam had lost its grease and water got into the small little pores it is going to take some effort to get it out again (I live in a pretty humid place, so dirt with the humidity would be enough to really get in my cam). This appears to be what happens, I'm slowly getting the lubricant to "stick"
We'll see, The new cams already seem to be much better. I'll see how many rides before they start squeaking on me. Hopefully quite a few. They slide much smoother than my old ones.
I'm also going to try to get my hands on some of this tuscan powder lubricant. It sounds like a reasonable experiment. From what I read it is really just boric acid (odd). It appears to be in use in engine oil & for metal-ceramic surfaces. Which, we are that not far off from.
And the maintenance isn't that big of a deal, I just felt like i was doing something wrong. Seems to be the lay of the land. Turns Original trucks into something I don't like pumping too much!
They are just so carvey/thrashy goodness I don't know if I'd like any other trucks out there.
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60" Freeride Surf-rodz
Originals 10s
75 mm 72 a Avila with Bones Reds (My Lincoln Continental) Flowing Stoke
37" "Path" Original Skateboards
Original S 8s truck
70 mm 80 A Lime Retros with Cell swiss bearings. (My Dirt Bike) Carvey goodness
well what i mean by impregnated I get a fresh cam and she is slick.. then i take my old cam (which i have sanded with a fine fine sand paper to get some of the crud off). To say the least not looking great. I can put a nice layer of white lithium grease on it, come back in 4-5 hrs and she no longer feels slick. put a little more on come back in 4-5 hrs.. a little slicker. Once more, now she is feeling like she wants to move freely. I also noticed every time I did this it actually got a little cleaner (some of the black was coming out of the cam and less gritty). This leads to suggest that there is crud somehow right in the top layer of the cam (small pours) The other thing I realized is that whiter lithium grease appears to be hydrophobic, so if the cam had lost its grease and water got into the small little pores it is going to take some effort to get it out again (I live in a pretty humid place, so dirt with the humidity would be enough to really get in my cam). This appears to be what happens, I'm slowly getting the lubricant to "stick"
We'll see, The new cams already seem to be much better. I'll see how many rides before they start squeaking on me. Hopefully quite a few. They slide much smoother than my old ones.
I'm also going to try to get my hands on some of this tuscan powder lubricant. It sounds like a reasonable experiment. From what I read it is really just boric acid (odd). It appears to be in use in engine oil & for metal-ceramic surfaces. Which, we are that not far off from.
And the maintenance isn't that big of a deal, I just felt like i was doing something wrong. Seems to be the lay of the land. Turns Original trucks into something I don't like pumping too much!
They are just so carvey/thrashy goodness I don't know if I'd like any other trucks out there.
Next time you have the trucks disassembled for cleaning, run your finger inside hanger where the cam goes. See if there are any rough edges from sloppy casting/machining. If there are that can cause noise, and considerably shorten the life of your cams. Clean them up with a file or something.
I skate my apex every single day and the last time i lubed them was 4 weeks ago. no squeaking still.
Using normal lithium grease. Just make sure you lube the whole cam adding a little bit more to the "wave" area where the cams make contact, That is where the squeaking is coming from, not from metal rubbing plastic. Its from plastic rubbing plastic. Maybe you do skate super hard and pump faster than a slalom racer, or maybe you live in a really dusty area, just depends I guess.
I skate my apex every single day and the last time i lubed them was 4 weeks ago. no squeaking still.
Using normal lithium grease. Just make sure you lube the whole cam adding a little bit more to the "wave" area where the cams make contact, That is where the squeaking is coming from, not from metal rubbing plastic. Its from plastic rubbing plastic. Maybe you do skate super hard and pump faster than a slalom racer, or maybe you live in a really dusty area, just depends I guess.
Its dusty here and it makes the trucks rather noisy if they aren't maintained.
I had my trucks for maybe half a year, and never cleaned them once, and they never squeaked or anything. I might admit they were a little dirty and unpleasant looking, but never gave me a problem.
Do you have any suggested tips or tricks that you find are best for when you lubricate the cams?
I find there is a fine line which I haven't quite mastered. Too much and it picks up alot of dirt, not enough and it doesn't lubricate.
Have you gone through any cams? I just tossed in my spare set. When comparing the two sets my old cams just don't seem to stay slick anymore. so i'm trying to coat them in layers to get them to retain some lubricant (coating them & letting them sit and then going back and coating them until i get that nice slick feel compared to knew ones). From other stuff i read there is suggestion that the cams are somewhat "impregnated" with lubricant which keeps them slick and riding smooth longer. The old cams don't appear to be doing too well.
They're not impregnated....original just sends them out with a light coat of lube.
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