Max safe speed with Red randall bushings

**Carbon Blue** · 05-09-2009 08:09 PM

Hey guys, i tried searching but couldn't find anything relevant. Ive got a 46'' scimitar 180mm randalls (50 degrees) with the stock red randall (92a)bushings which are labeled as medium hard. What kinda speeds can I expect to see safely before these bushings start giving me insane wobble and instability? Ive got this one crazy downhill by my place (on my mtn bike i can nail 43-50mph) but some report to hit 40-45mph on a longboard. I could just bomb it and find out myself but I prefer to keep the most skin possible since I don't have full leathers.

**Ogpogo** · 05-09-2009 08:14 PM

There is no max safe speed. Wobbles come from weak ankles and a fearsome mind, not from gear. Might I recommend SEARCHING the terms "speed wobbles" and "downhill bushings". If you are even asking your question in the format that you did, you most likely aren't ready to bomb a hill at 45mph. No offense of course, but baby steps my friend.

**Carbon Blue** · 05-09-2009 08:20 PM

definitely gonna try it in baby steps, im gonna start from the base and work my way up. I already know that wobbles are hugely dependent on the rider but I just wanted to see what others have to say. Thanks for the advice though

**Tittyfish** · 05-09-2009 08:24 PM

dude there's no max safe speed on any bushing. bushings have SO little impact on how fast you can go, when people say it's the gear not the rider they MEAN it. if you're no good yet then you're gonna get wobbles on stim shaped 95a bushings anyway. and 92a is pretty hard btw. suck it up and skate!

**nicthekid220** · 05-09-2009 08:24 PM

your 180s came with RED bushings?

i thought they come with yellow...

**Ogpogo** · 05-09-2009 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by Carbon Blue

definitely gonna try it in baby steps, im gonna start from the base and work my way up. I already know that wobbles are hugely dependent on the rider but I just wanted to see what others have to say. Thanks for the advice though

Well if I can give you another piece of advice, it would be to eventually upgrade those red randal bushings to something else, such as venoms or jimz's. I found once I started experimenting with different bushings and bushing types is when my riding started getting much more dialed in and enjoyable.

**nicthekid220** · 05-09-2009 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by Ogpogo

Well if I can give you another piece of advice, it would be to eventually upgrade those red randal bushings to something else, such as venoms or jimz's. I found once I started experimenting with different bushings and bushing types is when my riding started getting much more dialed in and enjoyable.

agreed.

but id say buy a khiro bushing pack.

or buy a few different duros of the barrel shapes and experiment.

**tbomber67** · 05-09-2009 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by nicthekid220

your 180s came with RED bushings?

i thought they come with yellow...

silver come with yellow. my blacks came with red not sure what he got

**Rouleau** · 05-09-2009 08:33 PM

I'm 140lb I just got red venom double barrel and elims in today. I'm running elims on bottom barrel on top. They have a ton of lean (feel very soft and carvy) bit are incredibly stable. Highly recomended upgrading to venoms if you are getting new bushings.

My friend has the same trucks/bushings as you and he keeps up. But has never gone more than 30

**green** · 05-09-2009 08:33 PM

A friend of mine went clear to the 40s on stock randals with those red bushings in them.

**nugpop68** · 05-09-2009 08:39 PM

I've taken my old randals with the solid red bushings that used to come in the 150s over 40, and I believe that they are substantially softer. My board(Hellcat) contributed to the stability. Other factors need to be considered.

**Tittyfish** · 05-09-2009 08:50 PM

OP: don't listen to these people just telling you to buy stuff. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with buying new bushings, it can make it a lot more fun, but it's not the most important thing. that is to ride a LOT and get better. do that, and when you have you can reward yourself with buying new stuff.

**Bombsquad_Manny** · 05-09-2009 08:53 PM

I used to swear by my red/yellow Randal cone setup for DH.
Rode those for about a year and a half.

I changed em up now but i still use one Randal Yellow.

Use whatcha got!

**Rob Shook** · 05-09-2009 09:16 PM

I've taken my red randals to 38 three times on 50* baseplates. sketchy, but it works. I don't recommend very hard bushings, but rather semi-hard barrels. I've tried an evo with ridiculously hard khiros and it can't make a 180* turn until you give it 3x the width of a street. Stupid, stupid. If you get new bushings, I'd recommend softer barrels (barrels rebound to the center better than cones, helping you out when speed wobbles start).

Something people keep saying is it's not the bushings it's the rider, but that's only partly true. If you are planning on consistently hitting 35+, get either different bushings or baseplates.

**budds51** · 05-09-2009 10:53 PM

i was able to take the stock yellow bushings up to what i believe was like 45. but with my exaggerations it was probably 38 at the most hahaha.

but weak ankles is totally true. i had my #### CRANKed down and still got some wild wobbles when i first started DH

Venoms were a great investment

**BrickCityBombers** · 05-09-2009 11:17 PM

am i the only one that is concerned that hes on a KS, ive seen scimitars break in half over nothing, really, I would not take any of those damn things over 30, but maybe im just a panzy

**tomahawk** · 05-09-2009 11:28 PM

im sick and tired of people saying wobbles are all in the mind, you can do any speed on any bushing.

i'm not gonna say that's not true in a general sense, bt in my experiences that is not true.

stability is partially a mindset, but is also due to your equipment.

the einvornment i find bushings are most pronounced is high speed sweepers. I've gone 50+ into sweepers with venoms (i tried all colors to try to get em to work) on my jimz trucks, and ####### a, i was mr. wobbles. no matter what i did, stable ankles, cranking the truck down, changing duros, would not solve the problem. finally i said ####it and put y jimz bushings back in, and wow. everything felt so easy, wobbles were once again a thing of the past and i felt rock solid on my board. this is all in the course of 1 day mind you, so the "Rider" factor didnt change signifanctly.

even in straights i find it matters, a "stable" bushing/truck setup makes hitting random imperfections in the road so much easier to deal with, and makes being stable so much easier.

**cam75** · 05-10-2009 01:15 AM

this has got to be one of the dumbest threads
im sure if you actually went outside and tried getting progressively faster you could find an answer to your question

**chopShuey** · 05-10-2009 02:09 AM

how about instead of posting this dumbass question you go and find out for the rest of us

**Carbon Blue** · 05-10-2009 01:55 PM

Like I said, I KNOW that bombing hills are hugely dependent on the rider and I KNOW that by just going out and buying equipment is NOT going to make me a better rider. I Ive been practicing bigger and steeper hills so I know what I have to work on. I asked a question and wanted to see what others experiences were, and thanks to those that had something to say worth reading. To the douche bags who have nothing better to say than run their mouth, I hope you eat sh*t on your next run.