Black Ops

**Karl Floitgraf** · 08-22-2008 09:26 PM

I got a pair of Black ops wheels from Mr. Pappas in april. I've been pumping a couple miles a day and racing on them and they don't cone too quickly, very durable and grippy. I've been a huge fan of zig zags but I think I'm gonna have to switch soon cause all my zigs seem to chunk after a month of hard riding, the Hspots are still very solid. It's nice to have some wheels that I can really trust and know I won't have to replace every six months.

**latenite** · 08-22-2008 10:01 PM

thanks for the feedback, havent heard much about these wheels

which wheels/ what duro?

**Karl Floitgraf** · 08-23-2008 09:13 AM

hotspots 69mm 81a

**Cranks** · 08-23-2008 10:09 AM

i have the 89a's... nice but they chatter at a really high frequency.

**Karl Floitgraf** · 08-23-2008 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cranks

i have the 89a's... nice but they chatter at a really high frequency.

89? that's wicked hard. Are you skating on glass or marble surface? Mig is the only guy I've seen who can create the kind of down force to make 89s sticky on regular pavement.

I don't know about the chattering, have you checked your bearings and spacers?

**SeismicDan** · 08-23-2008 12:48 PM

The purple 89A Hot Spots are pre-Back Ops. In the new Black Ops formula, we only go up to 87A, which is molded in translucent black "smoke".

**Speedo** · 08-23-2008 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Karl Floitgraf

89? that's wicked hard. Are you skating on glass or marble surface? Mig is the only guy I've seen who can create the kind of down force to make 89s sticky on regular pavement.

I don't know about the chattering, have you checked your bearings and spacers?

Also good for very warm asphalt.
Some people will go even harder.

**lollygag** · 08-23-2008 01:58 PM

Yea.. I know the hot pavment issue getting my wheels all soft and gummy and slow here in Hawaii.. plus im #215.
Hey Dan.. Ive got the new 77 speedvents in 83a with embossed logo is that the new BO thane ?

**SeismicDan** · 08-23-2008 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by lollygag

...Ive got the new 77 speedvents in 83a with embossed logo is that the new BO thane?

If they're purple, yes.

**zavenhook** · 08-23-2008 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Karl Floitgraf

I got a pair of Black ops wheels from Mr. Pappas in april. I've been pumping a couple miles a day and racing on them and they don't cone too quickly, very durable and grippy. I've been a huge fan of zig zags but I think I'm gonna have to switch soon cause all my zigs seem to chunk after a month of hard riding, the Hspots are still very solid. It's nice to have some wheels that I can really trust and know I won't have to replace every six months.

Out of the box these wheels feel amazing. Best Feeling wheel imo, compared to the zigs, the old spots, even the p pistol wheels. But opinion is opinion. I'm pretty tough on my wheels, but the wear was a little quicker than I wear my zigs. I wish I could throw down money for a new set every time I wore out a old one. all in all a great wheel.

**zavenhook** · 08-23-2008 04:51 PM

P.s. of course these wheels are good, karl... I beat you ridin them!

cant wait for antrim man, the unc race was one of my favorite races in a while.

**Speedo** · 08-23-2008 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by lollygag

Yea.. I know the hot pavment issue getting my wheels all soft and gummy and slow here in Hawaii.. plus im #215.
Hey Dan.. Ive got the new 77 speedvents in 83a with embossed logo is that the new BO thane ?

Good point.
When the surface is tested at over 130 degrees...............no place for soft wheels.

92As would work.

Peace.

**GPymp** · 08-23-2008 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by zavenhook

P.s. of course these wheels are good, karl... I beat you ridin them!

cant wait for antrim man, the unc race was one of my favorite races in a while.

I can't wait that you can't wait Joel!

Just in case you are not workin' Skating Sunday!

**donald20** · 08-24-2008 11:26 AM

mmmh

every time somebody throws in some new candy almost everybody goes for that flavor.

so zig zags a re not as good as....

interesting observation.
i bet a few pros will deny that statement....
but... they are clever enough not to post all this on messageboards.

**Cranks** · 08-24-2008 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by Karl Floitgraf

89? that's wicked hard. Are you skating on glass or marble surface? Mig is the only guy I've seen who can create the kind of down force to make 89s sticky on regular pavement.

I don't know about the chattering, have you checked your bearings and spacers?

hardness doesn't really affect grip that much.

as for chattering, its how wheels slide, they all have a different frequency. bigzigs have more of a fart, like 60hz or lower. these have like a squeeky fart, something like noschoolz is so high frequency its just a scream.

try the 92a grippins if you want a fun wheel.

**OldSkateGuy** · 08-24-2008 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by donald20

mmmh

every time somebody throws in some new candy almost everybody goes for that flavor.

Does that apply to decks and trucks also?

How are you these days, Donald?

**Xgecko** · 08-24-2008 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by Cranks

hardness doesn't really affect grip that much.

yeah right

**donald20** · 08-24-2008 01:21 PM

hey jack
you're right about the flavors
after the worlds and the euros we are pretty much set.

but the candy store never stops working and the next flavors are already happening

this x-mas we'll throw some extra jaw dropping candies into the round

i mentioned before that we will turn back time
the holiest of grails will be desecreated
when you see the outcome you will believe us....

just imagine a world without the crazy germans...it would be boring

don't you agree?

**Karl Floitgraf** · 08-24-2008 02:18 PM

Lots of fast guys have been on these wheels this season, Fluitt won the Nationals on them and I suppose everyone does like new flavors or else we would still be on stingers and hyper stradas. That is how our sport develops.

I like how the zig zags feel but so many of them just fall apart. I put a pair of greens on the front three weeks ago and they are already chunking and shredding. I see it happen all the time, my friend got a new Axe complete this summer: the zig zags had a huge chunk missing after three days! Meanwhile on the back I have the same hot spots I've had for almost six months, they are just starting to cone.

True, crazy Germans do make things more interesting!

**Mig** · 08-24-2008 02:37 PM

I have yet to really try the Black Ops. I did one run with 84a's and another one with 87a's on the back of my Tight setup in a straight course. So not enough to make a judgement.

You have to remember when the Zigs came out, they were advertized and designed has slalom racing wheels. If you run them in cones (what they were initially designed for), they don't chunk or shred. If you start powersliding them, voluntarily drifting them, kickturning them, or whatever else you want to do with them, they will chunk and shred and loose there grip.

Of all the ones i use for running cones and racing (83a-86a-89a in 66mm-70mm-75mm), not a single one of them has chunked or shredded. If you use them for what they were intended to, they will last. I'm still racing some who are 3 seasons old.

And coning is not a bad thing, it's a very good thing when you want grip.