your dh setup

**jeffrey** · 07-01-2009 02:24 AM

Originally Posted by loserplayer

new dh board pics, all but the wheels
soon to be gravity burners

that board looks ####### fun.

**leighgriffiths** · 07-01-2009 04:48 AM

whatever. to me it makes more sense to have the grip at the back to compensate. the front is always gonna get more grip than the back through a corner and having harder wheels back there is only going to facilitate that fact.
either way, i'm just going to ride my board and enjoy it.

**Everett McCord** · 07-01-2009 08:09 AM

Harder should go up front for acceleration purposes. Because your weight should be more oriented to the front truck most of the acceleration comes from those front wheels and the back wheels sort of just follow allong for the ride. A harder wheel is going to accelerate faster than a softer wheel, so having the harder wheel up front makes the board accelerate faster. When it comes to drifting with a split duro, you want the harder wheel up front because again you weight should be over the front truck, and if you think about it its your back truck that is going to loose traction first, so from a racing standpoint where you want to drift as little as possible to maintain maximum speed around a corner it is a good idea to have a softer wheel in the back. The idea behind split duro is brilliant, but it can definitely feel weird to slide and if you happen to break all four wheels loose in a drift it is also extremely weird feeling.

I rode split duros for almost a year so I am pretty sure that I have the basic idea of how they ride if any one is questioning my knowlage, and did ride them with harder wheels up front and in the back.

And karrot with karrots diagnol set up, that is a slalom thing. It is to help have more grip in a toeside corner, which is the corner in slalom that people most tend to wash out on if they wash out because of the way there weight is distributed in a turn.

Hope that helped cuz that took a while to type.

**bemmons1222** · 07-01-2009 11:19 AM

^ thank you twitch and leigh, glad to here some sense.

that avenger is sick too! i wish had money for one...

**green** · 07-01-2009 11:51 AM

Ok, DH is opposite of slalom. You want the grip in the front, just like chappy rode and anyone who made a self respecting six wheeler, they had 2 trucks in front, and one in the back.

You may not realize it, but everytime your back end "kicks out from loss of grip" your front does too. You need to have the soft in the front and the hard in the back or the board will go whatever way it wants when you drift out. OR since you have "more grip in the back" now when you round a corner, the back will be gripping and the front will drift, then your really fcked.

Plus, try throwing pendys and predrifts, you are going to have such a hard time controlling any of that with split duros.

Soft front, hard back = DH

Hard front, soft back = Slalom

Moral of the story, run the same wheels front and back, same duro, and quit being a pansy.

That avenger is badass.

**speshlspeclsteak** · 07-01-2009 12:26 PM

stampeding lo-mein monster ftw

**byang** · 07-01-2009 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by green

Ok, DH is opposite of slalom. You want the grip in the front, just like chappy rode and anyone who made a self respecting six wheeler, they had 2 trucks in front, and one in the back.

You may not realize it, but everytime your back end "kicks out from loss of grip" your front does too. You need to have the soft in the front and the hard in the back or the board will go whatever way it wants when you drift out. OR since you have "more grip in the back" now when you round a corner, the back will be gripping and the front will drift, then your really fcked.

Plus, try throwing pendys and predrifts, you are going to have such a hard time controlling any of that with split duros.

Soft front, hard back = DH

Hard front, soft back = Slalom

Moral of the story, run the same wheels front and back, same duro, and quit being a pansy.

That avenger is badass.

+1 This is true. In DH, the need for a more controlled drift is more important than perhaps the tiny bit of speed boost you would get from a harder duro in the front. Whereas in slalom, you DONT want to your back end to slide out. So why not put harder wheels in the front for the extra boost of speed?

**guroo** · 07-01-2009 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by green

Soft front, hard back = DH

Wait, I think the Vernon champ has something to say to that.

http://theboardmeeting.net/upload_ne...13db-large.jpg

Moral of the story, run your wheels the way that feels right for you.

**Shiyuchi** · 07-01-2009 05:17 PM

guroo, Mischo's tactic for vernon was to never lose traction, and guess what, he never did. Which is a lot like slalom. In slalom, ideally you will never lose slalom, so you can sacrifice a more-controllable drift for a speed boost, where as in most DH situations, you will lose traction no matter what, which is when you would favor a more controllable drift.

If you're never going to lose traction = hard front, soft back/two front, four back
If you're going to lose traction = soft front, hard back/four front, two back

edit: In case you didn't know, those are momo's, not big zigs.

**stephen.mhsrider** · 07-01-2009 05:20 PM

or just run grippy wheels all round....
none of this split duro bullsh!t

**Bomb303** · 07-01-2009 05:21 PM

Well, Ive ridden split duros, and I did not like the way softer in front drifted at all. All this talk about "more controlled drifting" for DH with softer in front harder in back doesnt make a lot of sense to me. Harder in front softer in back slid a lot smoother around corners IME, also gripped better.

Never again am I going to run split duros for DH though.

**Shiyuchi** · 07-01-2009 05:37 PM

Maybe controlled isn't the right word. How about efficient?

When you drift, you want to make your turn radius as small as whatever line you're taking. So everytime you drift, your back wheels will need to drift farther than the front. With soft in front, you're making it easier to kick your back end around the outside of your line, and take a tighter line with the front wheels, thus allowing you to take an overall less drifty, more efficient, tighter line.

**FaceVsAsphalt** · 07-01-2009 05:48 PM

I believe mischo actually ran vernon on centrax wheels not momos. The new wet dry centrax is what chaput said he was riding on.

**meercat123** · 07-01-2009 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Shiyuchi

edit: In case you didn't know, those are momo's, not big zigs.

im pretty sure those are reflex grippins...

**FaceVsAsphalt** · 07-01-2009 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by meercat123

im pretty sure those are reflex grippins...

they are centraxs look at the abec 11 thread and chaput said mischo was on the new wet dry centrax wheels. They are like a small momo.

**JayIV** · 07-01-2009 06:06 PM

They are centrax wheels.

**meercat123** · 07-01-2009 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by JayIV

They are centrax wheels.

ohhhh okay thanks

**Lyevo** · 07-01-2009 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by FaceVsAsphalt

I believe mischo actually ran vernon on centrax wheels not momos. The new wet dry centrax is what chaput said he was riding on.

Chaput was on Bigzigs becuase the Centrax were too heavy for tech.

**globalhardcore** · 07-01-2009 06:31 PM

if i were to get an evo what truks would be better randal 180 or randal dh?

**Brain Smoothie** · 07-01-2009 06:34 PM

randal 180s, the ranal dhs would have absolutely no turn in the back with the low angle. Get standard 180s and you can play with the baseplate angles more too. You could put a 35* plate in the front and a 50* in the rear and it'll give you a 50* front and a 35* back or whatever other combo you want to try