Sorry, but this is total horsesh*t...why promote vandalism SBC?

[glideronfreerides]

Give me a definition for art.

Maybe the kid was thinking that we spend to much time in our safe bubbles of glass. 5 star crash rated cars with tinted windows driven home and into the garage. Pull the blinds over you windows and hide from the world. Then back to your cubicle at work.
Its a metaphor for breaking boundaries and opening people up to the world. He thinks it's absurd that someone can't stand to make a public phone call without being privately sheltered from the world. People are scared of everyone and there is very little trust. That kid is forcing us to trust the person next to the phone.

I applaud him in his effort to breed trust and open a few windows. Its called interpretation bitch.

ha, good one.

[glideronfreerides]

But this is no way to do it, this just makes the box stayers want to hunker further down into their own lives.

well... what DOES make the box stayers stand up? seems to me that aggressive methods might not be out of line, given the seriousness of the times.



bill ayers agrees, smashing windows = smashing imperialism!

[enemy combatant]

bill ayers agrees, smashing windows = smashing imperialism!

Isn't he the mayor now?

[surfdubs]

next we should ask people to stop grinding on ledges and handrails.

QUIT MAKING SKATEBOARDING BORING

[n3rrd]

next we should ask people to stop grinding on ledges and handrails.

QUIT MAKING SKATEBOARDING BORING

If your feet aren't on it, you aren't skateboarding.

[Dancer]

If your feet aren't on it, you aren't skateboarding.

[surfdubs]

If your feet aren't on it, you aren't skateboarding.

i have a feeling that my first comment will be grossly misunderstood.

i don't condone vandalism, but this is skateboarding, "skate and destroy" is one magazines very popular motto. when you add youth, testosterone, and the culture of skateboarding together, eventually #### is going to get broken. When i was 13 we would skate around all day, and then imitate "jackass", setting stuff on fire and breaking stuff. not really criminal, just having fun. it looks like the guy in the ad may have gone too far, but i can't say. I hate the disney image of skateboarding that exists today.

for all we know that was an out of order telephone in the middle of an abandoned area. really how many payphones are still around anyways?

Regardless I'm much more interested in virtually any other topic about skateboarding besides being the moral police of other skateboarders, so i'm going to cruise other parts of the site now.

[Cann0n]

Not sure if you've heard of the Broken Window Effect... Look at Palatka, FL. It's a giant, ran down, abused town that is in a downward spiral. Sandy side walks, more than half the buildings are empty or boarded up, trash everywhere... shit that makes an Indian cry...

[surfdubs]

Not sure if you've heard of the Broken Window Effect... Look at Palatka, FL. It's a giant, ran down, abused town that is in a downward spiral. Sandy side walks, more than half the buildings are empty or boarded up... #### that makes an Indian cry...

oh sure, i used to live in florida...palatka... sweet jesus.

i would argue that this is proof the status quo isn't good enough and we have a lot of socio/economic problems that need to be resolved, not that individual skateboarders should be held responcible. but, i know you didn't mean that.

[enemy combatant]

Look at Palatka, FL. It's a giant, ran down, abused town that is in a downward spiral. Sandy side walks, more than half the buildings are empty or boarded up, trash everywhere...

Skateboarders destroyed an entire town? I may have to get a smaller deck!!! 8)

[OldSkateGuy]

Over the last thirty five years I have grown weary of things/attitudes being attached to skateboarding...
Punk Rock
Skate and Destroy
Skate and Create
and many more I can't remember, or don't care to remember.

It's a skateboard, just ride it and ignore the BS.

[Cann0n]

No, I was talking about the Broken Window Effect, an analogy used in economics and as an analogy for explaining why people vandalize. "Oh, someone else already broke a window, let me throw a rock and see if I can't break one too." It judges a town, both population behavior and economy.



The skateboarder smashing the window symbolizes the promotion of vandalism, which in turn falls under that effect. People find it easier to break a window once it's already broken, which potentially causes a negative chain reaction when similar people share the same behavior.

Parable of the broken window - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So in short, the statement given by the man in the picture is the stereotypical persona, that of a "skater punk".



This is a skate punk. He breaks windows and promotes people to be like him. If the entire area was filled with Mr. Skate punk here, the area would be filled with many broken windows and businesses wouldn't have many customers because the area is ran down, and people that have money would rather be in a pretty section of town, than a junky one.

[surfdubs]

^ and the pseudo intellectual of the year award goes to...

[surfdubs]

Over the last thirty five years I have grown weary of things/attitudes being attached to skateboarding...
Punk Rock
Skate and Destroy
Skate and Create
and many more I can't remember, or don't care to remember.

It's a skateboard, just ride it and ignore the BS.

Best post in the whole thread

[skategeezer]

I called bullshit on this....and almost 1000 folks have taken a peek and some have even responded...

things don't happen in a vacuum anymore...the media is not one way.

[skategeezer]

i knew this would bring out all types of responses...

that's fine...that's the internet

hate, kill, destroy as a means of marketing skateboarding has been done to death...but it doesn't matter, because it seems to work on a certain segment of the skate population. as some would say, that's just business.

my point is that NOW however, if you continue to use destruction/hate/kill/destroy in your marketing (by the way, this photo is not from an ad, it's actually editorial) you are going to run into 2 things:

1. folks responding to it in a different way than a simple letter to the editor - which may or may not be published

2. many skaters who for whatever reason see hate/kill/destroy as not the ONLY way to market skateboarding

it's nice to know there's a choice nowadays....

[skategeezer]

and by the way, I am not the freakin' skate morality police here...I just think that smashing your skateboard on glass telephone booth does nothing to move skateboarding forward.And if you don't agree with me, you sir are worse than Hitler.

[Camel]

Where is Officer Rivieri when you need him?

[dcphotos]

This is true, but I feel that kind of art that takes talent(and let's face it Banksy is a genius)

I don't think so. I think he paints his high-end graffiti to make political statements without really understanding the politics.

Anyhow, I remember being 16 and really liking to break stuff. It was great. We broke, burned and even blew stuff up. Yeah, the magazine is in the wrong to promote it, teenagers will see it and be impressed and imitate whether it was staged or not, and yes this is why we get run out of skate spots. Not so sure the magazine is the one to blame though. They are offering supply where there is a demand.

hate, kill, destroy as a means of marketing skateboarding has been done to death...but it doesn't matter, because it seems to work on a certain segment of the skate population. as some would say, that's just business.

But it's what the kids buy. The problem doesn't lie within the mag, it is with the kids that dig it. If the culture could be changed so that a sense of responsibility was cool instead of a sense of useless angst, you'd have skate magazines illustrating that. So what can be done to change that culture?

[loafmeat]

Where is Officer Rivieri when you need him?

Don't call me "MAN" my name is *OFFICER* RIVIERI