grafitti in skateparks...yes or no????

[Lukasz]

I think it depends, If its some pointless tag then no. Good graffiti is an art form and has some type of meaning behind it, a lot of the stuff i've seen is crap. However, one of my all time favorite artists is Banksy, his graffiti has a message behind it. Im not gonna rant about graffiti though, so lemme just get to the point, Yes if its and art form, no if its a tag

yes (banksy's work)



Probably not


No, just no

[ntthrepo]

okay then why do art historians investigate ancient graffiti in Rome? Is it not just defacement that is old? Does Banksy not deface the property he paints? If Michaelangelo wrote "Da Vinci sucks a fat ####" on a wall and it was on sale in an art auction right now no one here would make enough money in their lifetime to buy it. That's bummer it was your JOB to clean up a place. Man it must suck to do the thing you were PAID to do. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Your opinion of trash to me is a flaming red flag high up in the sky that says no matter what law, rules, or order are set in place in this world no one gives a fcuk. It represents a society advanced to the point where dissent does not even have to have a subject matter. That in and of itself is beautiful enough to legitimize all the "Cindy Johnson loves it in her loose ass" and "Come back on thursday for the best blowjob ever" Graffiti is the first TRUE faceless movement, It's not just because a bunch of different people from around the world do it. It's because you don't even know who is doing it.

I still write in Libraries, and all I gotta say it Fcuk Yea Buddy!!! You keep scrubbin', I'll keep fcuking up your work week. I wanna read something when I take a #### anyway. You guys don't let us bring the books in the bathroom. You are bringing all this pain on yourselves.

Once upon a time we had a thing called morals and respect.
Wonder what happened to that.

I bet YOUR job doesn't involve having to cleaning up some asshat's vandalism because he's 'not allowed to bring books in there'.

Back in topic:
I have no problem with graffiti in skateparks, it doesn't really effect me and I personally think it makes the skatepark much more visually appealing. I do however, have a problem with tagging, especially when its done over pieces of graffiti.

[-Mu-]

I hate finding library books that are damaged or written in, etc. Some places just feel like the deserve some austerity, that said I agree that graffiti should be illegal, and people should do it anyway. There are ANCIENT tag spots in this world where art that is literally hundreds of years old is right next to stuff made last week. That's kind of cool to me.

I like the feel of landsdowne. It's got so much ugly old graffiti, there's a charm to that. I like seeign the crimson ghost in the bowl, I like the girl tags. I like the strange R.I.P. stuff. If that place was perfectly clean I don't know that it would feel as authentic. Some places though are precise and modern and that has a style of it's own, which deserves its space.

[TheFuzz]

Once upon a time we had a thing called morals and respect.
Wonder what happened to that.

I bet YOUR job doesn't involve having to cleaning up some asshat's vandalism because he's 'not allowed to bring books in there'.

Back in topic:
I have no problem with graffiti in skateparks, it doesn't really effect me and I personally think it makes the skatepark much more visually appealing. I do however, have a problem with tagging, especially when its done over pieces of graffiti.

When were there morals and respect? Do you think we invented this? You probably have littered before. Probably have smoked pot. Probably have stole something. Definitely have skated illegally. You probably regard police with a negative light. You probably do all of this because you fit the profile of a skateboarder. You simply saying that it is a moral issue displays that their are different levels of peoples morality. If you imply that breaking one law is immoral then isn't doing anything that would go against the grain and make anyone slightly uncomfortable be immoral. Wouldn't running into people on the street because you can't skate for sh1t be immoral? Wouldn't fcuking up peoples nice shiny new rails on their nice shiny new building be immoral? I'm not hurting anyone. That guy is just doing his job. Just like taking out the trash and sweeping the floor. I have no problem with it and I feel no guilt whatsoever. Have times changed, no. You are still not a victim of any crime whatsoever and everyone is still complaining like they are. Shut your eyes. Stare at the ceiling if you want to look at blank walls or blank concrete or blank anything because you can arrest every single writer in the world and paint over every tag from here to asia and it will never ever stop. Graffiti is hardcore embedded into society and there are so many parallels in lifestyle that it is hard for me to believe that there are so many skaters out there being such little crybabies about it.


Is spraying solvent and wiping so hard? You think I've been doing this stuff all my life and never worked a sh1t job man? You think I'm not still working s1t jobs?

[cmarts]

If you are ever in ATL... There's a shop on Forsyth street near 5 points. It's a cool shop. It's a thrift/dj lessons/graffiti shop. You can't miss it. It's a giant wall of murals, some 20 foot high. If you leave the station at 5 points, turn right out and you will be looking at a mcdonalds. once you hit the corner McD's is at, turn left. Keep walking you find an open parking lot on the left, once you hit it, look behind you.

Do you find the hidden package?

[RyanTheMann]

Wasn't this about graffiti in skateparks?

This is some pretty art:

YouTube- D*FACE and RIDICULOUS

[VivaLaDan]

It really depends on the park and the area its in, but for the ost part I support it. It adds style to the scene, and just sets a general steezy mood. And for photography especially, it is an extremely effective tool.


As far as graffiti goes, I support it. As far as random tag wars go, no one wants to see it. But thats the beautiful part about graffiti. Whether you love it, or hate a piece, someone else will cover it up with something else eventually.

[Gearfire]

+1

Everybody please keep b1tching about it too. The more you make it seem like it's bothering you, the better it feels to antagonize you. I am a graffiti purist and to me if it's not illegal it doesn't really count. The measures taken to get decent work up in a hurry or in a dangerous patrolled space are what dictates the good from the bad to me. Street Art in a legal place is not graffiti. Jackson Pollack's paintings are the MOST expensive in the world. It's just fcuking spilled paint. So your interpretation of graffiti is that it's something you don't want to see, something you think is bullshit, something you don't entirely understand. Does that make it not art. No. Does that mean that it has no value. No. Does that mean that it is even there for you at all. Not in the least bit. A bunch of park owners saying, "No Graffiti in Parks" does not stop writers. It encourages them. If there was a legitimate way to get up there the moon would be covered in graffiti. What people don't realize is that this is not always meant to beautiful or awesome or easy on the eyes. Just as there are things in the contemporary art world that go right over the heads of normal, non-snobs there are things in the underground art world that no one outside of it will ever understand. So for anyone at all to say, No graffiti anywhere is like putting a sign up that says "Do Not Skate this Super Dope Spot" next to a 13 stair with a juicy landing. To assume that any artist will listen to you is to assume that they had compassion for the owners of the property in the first place.

Stomp your feet and shake your fist, yes, no, it makes no difference. You can sit here and fight it like the drug war all you want but you will only lose time, money, and effort.

I for one don't think it is appropriate writing on anything that is privately owned by people just trying to get by. Public areas, Government owned property, School property especially to me are places that belong to everyone. So if a public park opens and some kids get in a turf war and start putting their toy assed bullsh1t up all over the place it's no different to me than it happening in the bathroom of a library. I don't live in these places. Doesn't bother me. And complaining about paint on the ground in the park is very close to blaming bad drifts on flatspots. If you can't land the tranny, I'm willing to be it's more than the paint fcuking you up.

It really irks me that members of the skating community, who participate in the sport at a lot of times illegally in places they shouldn't be, have such a bad view of graffiti artists. You gotta be "awesome" to deface property. Well you don't have to be awesome to skate on other peoples property and fcuk their sh1t up. I respect a lot of graffiti and I do recognize that much of it is ugly, terrible, offensive, garbage but this is the world we live in. You gotta take the good with the bad. I don't know if any of you have ever watched a movie of graffiti artists before but if you haven't then check this out:

10 minutes graffiti

Its like an hour long but it has some really amazing footage of some euro train painters. A lot of them aren't even that good. Some of them suck, but it's sick as sh1t all the same because of the crazy sh1t they do to get fast and get it up on the train. While this isn't comparable to your everyday crap at the park, everyone has got to start somewhere you know.

okay then why do art historians investigate ancient graffiti in Rome? Is it not just defacement that is old? Does Banksy not deface the property he paints? If Michaelangelo wrote "Da Vinci sucks a fat ####" on a wall and it was on sale in an art auction right now no one here would make enough money in their lifetime to buy it. That's bummer it was your JOB to clean up a place. Man it must suck to do the thing you were PAID to do. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Your opinion of trash to me is a flaming red flag high up in the sky that says no matter what law, rules, or order are set in place in this world no one gives a fcuk. It represents a society advanced to the point where dissent does not even have to have a subject matter. That in and of itself is beautiful enough to legitimize all the "Cindy Johnson loves it in her loose ass" and "Come back on thursday for the best blowjob ever" Graffiti is the first TRUE faceless movement, It's not just because a bunch of different people from around the world do it. It's because you don't even know who is doing it.

I still write in Libraries, and all I gotta say it Fcuk Yea Buddy!!! You keep scrubbin', I'll keep fcuking up your work week. I wanna read something when I take a #### anyway. You guys don't let us bring the books in the bathroom. You are bringing all this pain on yourselves.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to TheFuzz again.

Fcuk yes. You make the best posts, dude.

[xjason11x]

I think a way to have it happen would be to have a skater bring an example of what he wants to paint on a piece of paper, and where he wants to repaint it. That way it would keep any messy drawings away.

[longwood94]

yes as long as its good