skater vs. cop...not a pretty scene

[GrassDiver]

What if the cop asks me if I want to suck his dick in the back seat?

Oops, Freudian Dream fetish of yours?

[-Mu-]

If the cop never said, "Ashamed of yourself?" the kid never would have called him a dick. It was a jackass move on the cop's part.

I don't think that's a terribly big deal. Perhaps it wasn't the best wording and I'm sure these kids weren't ideal up to that point, I imagine a decent amount occurred before and after the clip. However, when we are in bad moods yeah we all say things that might be a little on the edge, like asking him if he's ashamed. That's not a big deal though that's not a reason in my book to call a cop a ####### dick, to anyone I don't know personally for that matter. It's rude, and it's stupid. This cop is totally justified, these kids broke the law, he was going to let them go, that's ####### great. They have no right to be mad that they got in trouble for breaking the law, the law may be stupid, but there better ways to challenge that, than pissing off a cop.

[Schmohawk]

I don't think that's a terribly big deal. Perhaps it wasn't the best wording and I'm sure these kids weren't ideal up to that point, I imagine a decent amount occurred before and after the clip. However, when we are in bad moods yeah we all say things that might be a little on the edge, like asking him if he's ashamed. That's not a big deal though that's not a reason in my book to call a cop a ####### dick, to anyone I don't know personally for that matter. It's rude, and it's stupid. This cop is totally justified, these kids broke the law, he was going to let them go, that's ####### great. They have no right to be mad that they got in trouble for breaking the law, the law may be stupid, but there better ways to challenge that, than pissing off a cop.

True. I understand what everyone there was going through, though. When dealing with cops, your adrenaline starts pumping like mad.

[killdozer]

True. I understand what everyone there was going through, though. When dealing with cops, your adrenaline starts pumping like mad.

I would only think that is the truth if you were up to no good, had warrants or were trying to hide something? Why else would your adrenaline, which is a hormone or neurotransmitter which controls the fight or flight response in your nervous system, rise up? That's a bit extreme if you didn't do anything wrong, no? I got into a physical altercation with a young guy who was in the wrong over a theft (not from me) a few months back. The police were called and when they showed up I was manhandling this guy. Other than getting my info and taking a statement the cop didn't do a damn thing to me. In fact 2 cars showed up and all the attention was payed to the other guy. I didn't get cuffed, searched or harassed. What am I special?

[Schmohawk]

I would only think that is the truth if you were up to no good, had warrants or were trying to hide something? Why else would your adrenaline, which is a hormone or neurotransmitter which controls the fight or flight response in your nervous system, rise up? That's a bit extreme if you didn't do anything wrong, no? I got into a physical altercation with a young guy who was in the wrong over a theft (not from me) a few months back. The police were called and when they showed up I was manhandling this guy. Other than getting my info and taking a statement the cop didn't do a damn thing to me. In fact 2 cars showed up and all the attention was payed to the other guy. I didn't get cuffed, searched or harassed. What am I special?

The cops that I've dealt with always treated me like a criminal. One time, four or five cops showed up at my door because my neighbor called and said I was smoking weed. They treated me like ####. I invited them into my house to show them that I wasn't smoking weed and had a hookah, and that maybe that's what the neighbors were smelling (Even though hookah tobacco smells nothing like weed). "So you were outside smoking your bong?" one of them said. They continued to be jerks. These guys wouldn't leave me the #### alone. Finally, after convincing them I was innocent, they left.

If you live in a small town where cops have nothing better to do than harass people, you'll get where I'm coming from. I've dealt with them a number of times (I was completely innocent every time), and they always act like big bullies. And yes, these encounters usually cause my adrenaline to flow quite a bit.

[ATG-ATB]

I would only think that is the truth if you were up to no good, had warrants or were trying to hide something? Why else would your adrenaline, which is a hormone or neurotransmitter which controls the fight or flight response in your nervous system, rise up? That's a bit extreme if you didn't do anything wrong, no? I got into a physical altercation with a young guy who was in the wrong over a theft (not from me) a few months back. The police were called and when they showed up I was manhandling this guy. Other than getting my info and taking a statement the cop didn't do a damn thing to me. In fact 2 cars showed up and all the attention was payed to the other guy. I didn't get cuffed, searched or harassed. What am I special?

Fear elicits the release of adrenaline, despite your experience and opinion there are a lot of americans that are scared of the cops. A skater only has to watch a few of these videos of cops doing the wrong thing to get there, you're gonna remember something a bad cop does for longer than the well behaved stuff you watch on Cops. You don't have to be up to no good to get nervous when a guy twice your size with a gun starts their "control the situation" tactics you discussed earlier!

[killdozer]

The cops that I've dealt with always treated me like a criminal. One time, four or five cops showed up at my door because my neighbor called and said I was smoking weed. They treated me like ####. I invited them into my house to show them that I wasn't smoking weed and had a hookah, and that maybe that's what the neighbors were smelling (Even though hookah tobacco smells nothing like weed). "So you were outside smoking your bong?" one of them said. They continued to be jerks. These guys wouldn't leave me the #### alone. Finally, after convincing them I was innocent, they left.

If you live in a small town where cops have nothing better to do than harass people, you'll get where I'm coming from. I've dealt with them a number of times (I was completely innocent every time), and they always act like big bullies. And yes, these encounters usually cause my adrenaline to flow quite a bit.

There is a difference. I have never lived in a small town. I was born and raised in NYC, lived in North Bergen, NJ, Danbury, CT, Baltimore, MD and in DC. 90% of the time police in those areas have better things to do. I have never been harassed for skating even when I was younger, other than occasionally being told I couldn't skate in front of libraries or court houses (they have the best concrete lol). I am bearded and tattooed all over now and look like a scum bag half the time now and still don't have issues. I guess we just come from different worlds. I am an A-type personality for sure and never like to feel taken advantage of or like someone is playing an angle on me. I have a mouth like you wouldn't believe and the balls to back it up despite my smaller stature, and still haven't had problems dealing with the police. I am lucky I guess. I'm sorry for your displeasure. I really mean that.

[ChicagoBoarder21]

This video saddened me in more ways than one. I was almost on the cop's side in this one. I mean, the kid is a complete dumbass. You DON'T tell a cop to "#### off" who was about to let you off the hook for not only skateboarding (lulz a "crime"), but attempting to steal public property! Like ok, maybe he would've gotten a ticket but certainly not a night in jail. And i absolutely loved how the cop blew up on him and still kept his cool. It's that kind of street justice that you only get from a mid 90's steven segal movie. In fact, the only reason I didn't side with the cop was that after doing something (the video wasn't really clear on what exactly he did) like stealing or defacing city property, the cop books him for skateboarding. Ya, i know there were preceding circumstances of the kid being a dick and all but if you're gonna arrest him, arrest him for a legitimate crime! And yes, there is an ordinance against it so skateboarding is a "legitimate" crime but I have a hard time believing he would've gotten a slap on the wrist if all he was doing was skateboarding and not mouthing off to the cop. And if he had, then that's really sad. I mean for a city that prides themself for being "progressive" and "open-minded", I see skateboarding as a pretty hypocritical crime.

[killdozer]

This video saddened me in more ways than one. I was almost on the cop's side in this one. I mean, the kid is a complete dumbass. You DON'T tell a cop to "#### off" who was about to let you off the hook for not only skateboarding (lulz a "crime"), but attempting to steal public property! Like ok, maybe he would've gotten a ticket but certainly not a night in jail. And i absolutely loved how the cop blew up on him and still kept his cool. It's that kind of street justice that you only get from a mid 90's steven segal movie. In fact, the only reason I didn't side with the cop was that after doing something (the video wasn't really clear on what exactly he did) like stealing or defacing city property, the cop books him for skateboarding. Ya, i know there were preceding circumstances of the kid being a dick and all but if you're gonna arrest him, arrest him for a legitimate crime! And yes, there is an ordinance against it so skateboarding is a "legitimate" crime but I have a hard time believing he would've gotten a slap on the wrist if all he was doing was skateboarding and not mouthing off to the cop. And if he had, then that's really sad. I mean for a city that prides themself for being "progressive" and "open-minded", I see skateboarding as a pretty hypocritical crime.

About that crime. I wonder if they made it a crime due to liability issues? There are so many hills in that city. I have been there and love it. I wonder if they were having issues with a lot of skaters getting injured. Then couple that with the few skaters that do vandalize/deface public property, and the small occurrence of the "Drug Culture" among skaters where everyone just assumes all of us are on something. Looking at those few things I would think the local Govt. made it illegal, not to bust every skater in the city, but to give the police one more reason to stop and search/detain a skater to weed out (no pun intended) the violators. Like the vid showed. The officer was gonna let them go even after they were messing with public property. So the police (even the jerks) have the discretion to just tell the skaters to stop skating and move on. But if you look and listen in the start of the vid, he is on the opposite side of the street calling in the information of each skater. That means he was doing and warrant/criminal history check to see if they are in violation of something else. So if one of them had a warrant, he would be brought in but the officer needed the original offense of "Skating" to show probable cause to search/detain and or do a precautionary records check. It's just like loitering or hanging out on a street corner. Police can stop and search you for doing that no questions asked because of drug dealing and other offenses that have been made by hanging out "loitering" on a street corner. But if you come up clean they just tell you to move on and they are out of your hair.

I know it's hard to swallow up the validity of these offenses, but somewhere a group of people in elected positions are involved with these laws being put into practice. Right or wrong you have to live with it or move elsewhere. If you really wanna do something about it, write your local Govt., and more importantly VOTE. These kind of laws can and have been overturned. Use your rights as a citizen to fight back. Just don't be a smart ass or a jerk about it. Be judicial and come to the table prepared to make a valid arguement. One that is better than. "#### the police" or "They have nothing better to do". The worst part? This cop, being a city officer likely did have something better to do. He was likely more frustrated that he had to do this because the original call for him to go there came in. What happened after he arrived on scene is a different story.

I am done with this thread because we are all gonna have our own opinions. I am not likely gonna change any of yours so it's a moot point in the end I guess.

[Schmohawk]

yeah it's pretty much /thread for me.

[robcarter]

What's up with the whole "lifting sewer grates" thing? Is that something Cali acid hippies do? Walk around and lift up sewer grates for fun? That seems to be mentioned here a lot and I'm curious as to why it's a seemingly common problem in SF.

man you're fukin stupid. the guz-Zach- gettin arrested, is a good friend of mine and he's as cool a guy as it goes...before ya go passing judgement think that he's a way better skater than you'll ever be and we're not being "acid droppin hippie california kids", we're skating. those sewer grates can get propped up into launch ramps that are fun to skate. so pretty much, f.uck all you haters! spend your time on a skateboard instead of a messageboard

[thumper07]

much, f.uck all you haters! spend your time on a skateboard instead of a messageboard

Well, if you had a job that you had to go to every day, instead of sleeping on your friends couch and spending the entire day roaming around town begging for quarters to buy yourself a 99 cent cheeseburger so you could eat, you'd have time to talk on message boards and less time to spend skating.

[SF_Rippa]

Well, if you had a job that you had to go to every day, instead of sleeping on your friends couch and spending the entire day roaming around town begging for quarters to buy yourself a 99 cent cheeseburger so you could eat, you'd have time to talk on message boards and less time to spend skating.

Wow, can't believe this thread has gone down this path, what a disappointment some of you are. Thumper, why dont you be just a little more judgmental in this situation? Acid-tripping cali kids and beggin for change for cheesburgers? Where the hell do you get your impressions of SF and skaters? What are you doing on this forum anyways? Please put your skateboard down for good, and return to your local starbucks with your kids. F__In KOOK!

[WillJ]

another great thread that clearly shows who the douchebags are and who the actual skaters are...

[killdozer]

another great thread that clearly shows who the douchebags are and who the actual skaters are...

I guess a pre-requisite of being a skater is to be against the police and exhibit anti-social behavior in general. Should longboards/shorboards start selling with anti-everything propaganda? I would love to not be a douchebag and learn how to be an actual skater. Last I checked, having a board and riding it down the street for the love of skating makes you a skater. I didn't realize there was an elitist group that felt they were entitled to be called Skaters and the rest of us are on the outside of some private meeting. Your statement has no actual bearing. Explain how personal opinion has ANYTHING to do with the tools that make you an "Actual Skater".

[WillJ]

I would love to not be a douchebag and learn how to be an actual skater.

of course you would

[killdozer]

of course you would

Please help me sir. I need to be accepted.

[WillJ]

I need to be accepted.

apparently

[killdozer]

apparently

I was skating half pipe when The Search For Animal Chin first came out, which possibly came out when you were still in pre-school. What makes you think you can actually weed out real skaters from non-skaters on an internet forum full of angst? Just because some of us grew up a little and learned how to get a long in society you feel the need to exercise what little you think you know about any of us personally? Real brilliant. You must think I am some 9-5 blue collar douchebag. lol

[OlderNooblet]

the police will always be the enemy! they're bread from swine and feces. they just NEED to protect you from yourself, isnt there a bank being robbed or a child being beaten, go do something that actually matters pigs! skateboarding is not a crime, its a sport.

I'm honestly curious, how does a young adult from the planned bedroom-community of 80%-white almost crime free Camarillo get such pure hate for the cops? Music? Movies/TV? Boredom? Tell me it was something more than a cop yelling at you for skateboarding down the street.
I mean, I think I still remember that whole teenage angst thing. Oh hell.. Go for it. Fight the power! Tell me how that works for you 5 years from now.

[ I've had real ugly experiences with old school east coast city cops... so it's not out of pure love for all those guys ]