that extreme torrent...extremebits.org is causing quite a stir!

**skategeezer** · 10-13-2008 06:13 PM

**bakersfield90** · 10-13-2008 07:22 PM

i'll wait for someone to summarize that.

**Blackmore** · 10-13-2008 07:30 PM

wow those guys are douches, i wont be downloading anything from them

**aaronaftershock** · 10-13-2008 07:37 PM

Even though the torrent site is really inconsiderate for denying a personal request from the maker to take the film down, they do bring up some valid points.

**Moogleluvr** · 10-13-2008 08:25 PM

As much as it's nice for films to be easily available, this site's reply to the moviemaker pretty much said "Up yours. I don't care how hard you worked on it. People don't have to pay for it if they don't like it."

...A bunch of assholes.

**chungmaster** · 10-13-2008 08:34 PM

well that's kinda what we do when we download music and movies....

**Braden343** · 10-13-2008 08:42 PM

those guys really have no respect for someone trying to make a living, if these guys start making good money of this site (don't know if they already are), and it eventually gets shut down and they get sent to jail, maybe they'll realize being a tough guy behind a screen, and being a tough guy while facing 100s of lawsuits is quite different.

**Hanael** · 10-13-2008 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by aaronaftershock

Even though the torrent site is really inconsiderate for denying a personal request from the maker to take the film down, they do bring up some valid points.

you should check TPB takedown notices.
lulz.

And also, i guess it's time for a change

**chrismcb** · 10-13-2008 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by aaronaftershock

Even though the torrent site is really inconsiderate for denying a personal request from the maker to take the film down, they do bring up some valid points.

Which points do they have that are valid?
I didn't see a single valid point in the response.

**SteveC** · 10-13-2008 10:44 PM

it's possible to get advertising money for a video that never gets on dvd.
just unleashed 'viral' so to speak.
Other than that, not a lot of what he said holds any water.

**southshorelocal** · 10-13-2008 10:55 PM

i love torrents i dont think that there are any differences from burning a cd for a buddy and downloading a torrent

**chungmaster** · 10-13-2008 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by southshorelocal

i love torrents i dont think that there are any differences from burning a cd for a buddy and downloading a torrent

There basically is none. And i've heard both are illegal, but i dunno about the former.

It does suck for producers. But then it's kinda like downloading music. Technology is changing the industry. We can make better quality videos but then everyone has access to them. Is that bad? We have better methods to stream to an audience, but maybe too great of an audience. Maybe we have to change the old model, because we will never go back to the old days. I know a lot of artists are starting to distribute music for free and then in turn get more crowds at their shows.

Spreading free stuff also garners more attention. Like maybe you or I would buy a Maryhill DVD, but would your next door neighbor? If it's free then they might check it out just because. Spread awareness and then there is a possibility that it will benefit in the long run. You might not reap the benefits at first but maybe later. Especially since this is such a niche sport just getting an image out there may help the industry as a whole.

Just IMHO

**Benito** · 10-14-2008 07:04 AM

they have a point about the donation button though. If fans want to support them, they can give them money via paypal of something.

If anything, not printing dvd's saves them money, and if the dvd gets alot of downloads, they are getting more exposure for their next film (considering if this one was even worth looking at and they plan on a sequel).

I mean, every technine snowboard video is available for release on torrents, but Finga on the Trigga productions isn't complaining... Same with burton, forum, MDP, PBP, ect...

**SpeedFiend** · 10-14-2008 07:08 AM

the more people who see your work, the better. get a real job if you wanna get paid, film is for rich peoples kids.

**longboardertwan** · 10-14-2008 08:30 AM

Everyone's dream is to get paid to do what they love and bit torrents and p2p networks are helping to break down that possibility for creative peoples especially for those who don't do any sort of live performance. How many "action sports" (who else hates that term?) videos are in movie theaters being viewed on large screens by large crowds? I don't think many if any for more than a premiere night so they bank on hard copy sales to fund the next project or maybe on legal downloads like from Itunes. The funny thing is that as I am saying this I know that I will be putting my creative projects online for free for whoever wants to see or hear them because you do need an audience and it is the easiest way to reach millions of people rather than the 5 guys in the bar on a tuesday night that you got the gig for. The rampant use of online file sharing and the commercialization of cheap and effective proconsumer level audio and video production hardware and software at reasonable prices is what has got us here and is what is and will destroy big business media giants. This will allow for more variety and more creativity because more people are able to publish high quality media but it also means that some rich kids are going to make shitty high quality media that floods over what is actually art. It really is the strangest time that we live in and me being in school for recording right now...man the future shall be interesting...

**Wells** · 10-14-2008 09:01 AM

Hasn't this argument played out on the internet like 300000000 times in the last 10 years?

**TwinTown Skater** · 10-14-2008 09:54 AM

What's 300,000,001 among friends?

The power of the internet is that it democratizes. The problem with the internet is it allows the bilous excrement to be equated with the worthy.

While it might be justifiable that a bunch of studios and music producers limited value add should result in smaller incomes, does it follow that there is no media for which it is worth paying?

**jeff189** · 10-14-2008 07:06 PM

Welcome to the future, suck it up and adapt. When I was a kid, playing in bands trying to get a name out there I would have killed for such an awesome distribution system.

**chrismcb** · 10-15-2008 01:47 AM

Originally Posted by SpeedFiend

the more people who see your work, the better. get a real job if you wanna get paid, film is for rich peoples kids.

So only rich peoples kids should be allowed to film a television show? Only rich peoples kids should make movies? Perhaps only rich peoples kids should film the next Maryhill?

Burning a DVD/CD and giving it to a friend is NO different than copying it off the torrent. Both are illegal, and no matter how you look at it, neither put money in the hands of the producers.

Yes, you are right, free distribution gets stuff into more peoples hands. But if your product IS the thing you are distributing, getting more people to see it for free doesn't help you. Sure if you are a new band, getting everyone to hear your first song for free is awesome, cause then they might pay for your concert. Or if you are Go Fast getting people to see the Eastbourne video for fre eis awesome, cause maybe you'll buy more Go Fast.

But if your product is the movie itself, and you are trying to sell it, then someone giving it away is stealing from you. Saying it is the wave of the future, or technology or whatever doesn't make it anymore right. You might tell yourself "well I wouldn't have paid for it anyways" but then you wouldn't pay for that Bentley either, but for some reason you also don't take it for a joyride.

Yeah putting a donation button on the website is a great idea. BUT it doesn't give someone else the right to redistribute the product for free.

As for the people who say "go get a real job." Guess what? The person who isn't making any money producing a kickass video IS going to get a paying job, and we won't have any more kickass videos. Sure some amateurs will make decent videos. But we'll have way more amateurish videos to slog through.

And yes this topic has been debated many many times on the tubes, and yet everyone thinks it is still OK to steal someone elses work, and that there won't be any consequences.

**dirtyhippy** · 10-15-2008 02:11 AM

im poor and apathetic.. take a quick guess on what my stance on this subject is. if i could afford to support every producer, director, artist, athlete, etc... i would, but i cant. i can barely make rent and pay bills. if its a multi million dollar block buster im watching illegally i really dont care but on the contrary if it is something like a snowboard video or something else i feel like strongly supporting i will usually buy the dvd..