Transitioning from original to traditional.

**Castermaster** · 11-28-2009 01:38 PM

Hey guys! I'm thinking about getting a dervish this weekend but I don't know which trucks to get on it. I have a custom 35 right now with s8 trucks and I'm just wondering which truck on the dervish will be best to transition into. Could you guys help me?

Btw. Here is a link to the choices I have.41.5" Loaded Bamboo Dervish Custom Longboard Complete - Muir Surf and Skate

**Brain Smoothie** · 11-28-2009 01:44 PM

180mm paris with some soft venoms supercarve or standard venoms bushing packs will give you a real loose fun ride. I'd imagine bears would ride similar to originals in some aspects since they have so much lean

**Castermaster** · 11-28-2009 01:50 PM

Originally Posted by Brain Smoothie

180mm paris with some soft venoms supercarve or standard venoms bushing packs will give you a real loose fun ride. I'd imagine bears would ride similar to originals in some aspects since they have so much lean

So not Randal 180's?? Could you tell me what they are like?

**FL_RIDER_93** · 11-28-2009 01:51 PM

yeah dont get bears, the lean stops when eventually the kingpin hits the hanger and it feels very unatural. Get some randals and the softest venom standard pack you can find.

**Bomb303** · 11-28-2009 01:52 PM

randal is almost the exact same thing as paris. the bushings are going to make more of a difference than chosing between the two, imo.

**Castermaster** · 11-28-2009 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by FL_RIDER_93

yeah dont get bears, the lean stops when eventually the kingpin hits the hanger and it feels very unatural. Get some randals and the softest venom standard pack you can find.

Thanks so much for the help guys!

So you're sure that I should go with the 180mm Randal - RII - Raw Trucks?

**Jorelle** · 11-28-2009 02:22 PM

I would go for Paris. I like the bushing seat better and the baseplate shortens the wheelbase by a small bit and making it (it's the wrong word and i don't know what the word I'm looking for but) quicker in turning. And stock paris bushings are nicer than randals red ones.

**killdozer** · 11-28-2009 02:29 PM

Paris trucks will also shorten the wheelbase about 1/2" which will stiffen the board a tad as well. I like Paris hangers more than Randall. The bushing seat is better. If it came down to RII or Paris 180 I would go with Paris just for the hanger. The rest is interchangeable anyway. I use Venom standard pack 85a on my Dervish with Paris trucks and it's super carvy and fun. I weigh 145 if that helps. And my Dervish is Flex 2.

**Castermaster** · 11-28-2009 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by killdozer

Paris trucks will also shorten the wheelbase about 1/2" which will stiffen the board a tad as well. I like Paris hangers more than Randall. The bushing seat is better. If it came down to RII or Paris 180 I would go with Paris just for the hanger. The rest is interchangeable anyway. I use Venom standard pack 85a on my Dervish with Paris trucks and it's super carvy and fun. I weigh 145 if that helps. And my Dervish is Flex 2.

Do I need this for the trucks? 0.13" Loaded Drop Thru [Incl. Washers] Risers

So Paris trucks with Venoms are more turny than randals with venoms?

**-Mu-** · 11-28-2009 05:26 PM

It'll take a weee bit to get used to. You don't need to worry too much about it, stock randal bushigns are fine, just loosen it up a bit. Take it slow and you'll figure out the difference. The board wont just dive from side to side like it does on an original, it'll lean slower and have more resistance. It's not a big deal, give it some time and you'll ride it like you never knew the difference.

**killdozer** · 11-28-2009 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by Castermaster

Do I need this for the trucks? 0.13" Loaded Drop Thru [Incl. Washers] Risers

So Paris trucks with Venoms are more turny than randals with venoms?

You don't need the Loaded riser pads on the newer Dervishes. The stress cracking issues were taken care of. If you use them they will give you a little more dampening from road bumps but they are not a necessity. With Paris trucks, the writing on the truck base plate will imprint in the deck a little but you won't see it unless you take the trucks off. It doesn't hurt anything. I wouldn't say that Paris are "More" carvy than Randall with Venom but the hangers are nicer on Paris trucks. The bushing seats are much better. Also Randall and Paris are interchangeable so if you get one and like the base plate or hanger from the other you can mix and match. That and Randall has different degree baseplates for DH riding so you can experiment with them.

**-Mu-** · 11-28-2009 05:32 PM

Though I'd like to add that these are differences you probably wont notice so well. I honestly think you'd be fine to get a stock complete from loaded, or I guess whoever has the best deal but if you don't know the difference us talking about it wont change that you wont feel it. Having learned to skateboard on original trucks I can say from my experience that it'll be a bit different but you'll adjust.

It's absolutely not a big deal. I can say though that I have never used paris trucks but I like my randals and I have no problems with their stock bushings (translucent red).

**Castermaster** · 11-28-2009 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by killdozer

You don't need the Loaded riser pads on the newer Dervishes. The stress cracking issues were taken care of. If you use them they will give you a little more dampening from road bumps but they are not a necessity. With Paris trucks, the writing on the truck base plate will imprint in the deck a little but you won't see it unless you take the trucks off. It doesn't hurt anything. I wouldn't say that Paris are "More" carvy than Randall with Venom but the hangers are nicer on Paris trucks. The bushing seats are much better. Also Randall and Paris are interchangeable so if you get one and like the base plate or hanger from the other you can mix and match. That and Randall has different degree baseplates for DH riding so you can experiment with them.

Okay. I think I'm gonna go with paris 180's!

And which venom bushings do you think would be best for me?

**Castermaster** · 11-28-2009 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by killdozer

You don't need the Loaded riser pads on the newer Dervishes. The stress cracking issues were taken care of. If you use them they will give you a little more dampening from road bumps but they are not a necessity. With Paris trucks, the writing on the truck base plate will imprint in the deck a little but you won't see it unless you take the trucks off. It doesn't hurt anything. I wouldn't say that Paris are "More" carvy than Randall with Venom but the hangers are nicer on Paris trucks. The bushing seats are much better. Also Randall and Paris are interchangeable so if you get one and like the base plate or hanger from the other you can mix and match. That and Randall has different degree baseplates for DH riding so you can experiment with them.

Oh! One more thing. Will retro bigzigs lime 75mm 80a work well with paris 180's?

**pandora** · 11-29-2009 01:43 AM

My mate's got Paris' (150mm) and loves them.
I've got a Dervish setup with 181mm Bear Grizzly's, 90a Red Standard Venom's and 80a Lime Big Zigs and it is a nice setup!
I went with the Grizzly's 'cause flipping the hanger does make a more stable faster truck without having to totally swap the trucks out. I don't have any problems with them!
I would like to try some 180mm Paris' though...

**killdozer** · 11-29-2009 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by Castermaster

Okay. I think I'm gonna go with paris 180's!

And which venom bushings do you think would be best for me?

How much do you weigh, and how much carve do you want? I'm 145 and the yellow standards 85a, carve so amazing and deep yet have rebound/stability to going in a straight line at a quicker pace. I have reds 90a but they feel a bit too restrictive for hard carving for me. I have not tried the purple ones that just came out yet but may once my local shop has them. They are in between, 87a I think.

To answer you other question, it shouldn't really matter what wheel you use with Paris 180s. I mean Big Zigs are awesome carving wheels, and that is what should matter, not if they will work with Paris trucks. Any wheel will work with them.

**Castermaster** · 12-11-2009 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by killdozer

How much do you weigh, and how much carve do you want? I'm 145 and the yellow standards 85a, carve so amazing and deep yet have rebound/stability to going in a straight line at a quicker pace. I have reds 90a but they feel a bit too restrictive for hard carving for me. I have not tried the purple ones that just came out yet but may once my local shop has them. They are in between, 87a I think.

To answer you other question, it shouldn't really matter what wheel you use with Paris 180s. I mean Big Zigs are awesome carving wheels, and that is what should matter, not if they will work with Paris trucks. Any wheel will work with them.

I went to the skate shop recently and stood on the dervish with randal trucks, and it felt a lot better compared to the ceviche with paris's I stood on. Maybe the randals were just looser, idk. But I think I have decided on getting a Dervish flex 2, randal trucks, some venoms, and purple durians. What do you think of this setup?

P.S. I want the most carvey setup I can find but still stable enough for commuting long distances.