PPS Ditchkiller reborn?

**Gary in VA** · 09-24-2009 09:12 AM

Looks like Madrid has put out a board like the PPS Ditchkiller. I'm guessing that Madrid made the decks for PPS at one time. It's called the Karma. 42" long, 9" wide, 25" wheelbase.

**Petary791** · 09-24-2009 01:51 PM

Looks like a really fun deck.

Those trucks and wheels look photoshopped on. Just sayin'!

**Mercado** · 09-24-2009 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Gary in VA

Looks like Madrid has put out a board like the PPS Ditchkiller. I'm guessing that Madrid made the decks for PPS at one time. It's called the Karma. 42" long, 9" wide, 25" wheelbase.

To answer your question, no we did not copy the ditch killer. We did make the ditch killer for PPS back when they were in production, but the "Karma" model was born from the fact that PPS stopped making a big ditch board and there were a few things I didnt like about the PPS ditch killer. Also, the trucks were not photo shopped in! Expect a "Karma" video soon!!!

Mercado

**Gary in VA** · 09-24-2009 07:52 PM

I wasn't implying a copy, just thought you guys made it for them a while back. I've got a couple Madrid decks (Store Runner and El Cochino) and really like them. Is this deck stiffer than the PPS deck? I had a Ditchkiller and it was too flexy. If it is stiffer, I'll be looking to get one soon.

**speshlspeclsteak** · 09-24-2009 07:55 PM

looks like a sick board i might have to get one for bombing around

**PMC** · 09-24-2009 08:16 PM

Mercano, could you please explain what you did not like about the PPS and what changes you made to this one. What is going to be the flex?

THX!!!

Hey Gary the Avenger is awesome, THX again man!!!

**Mercado** · 09-24-2009 08:59 PM

Gary - The current wood combo is about as flexy as the old ditch killer. Wait till the next run and they will be stiffer.

PMC - I changed the nose, wheel wells and wheel base.

The ditch killer nose was long narrow and pointy,pretty much a spear. Actually, it was kinda like a bee stinger; You would nail someone or something, implail the object then it would break off. So I gave it a bigger nose to prevent that and you can do nose wheelies now.

The wheel wells on the ditch killer were too big and created a narrow area near the back truck. This would make it weak and we saw alot of focused ditch killers back when they were in production. I made the wheel wells on the Karma slightly shallower and not as deep. so you have clearance and less likely to snap.

Last thing I changed was the wheelbase. The ditch killer Wheel Base was I belive 26 1/2 .he Karma is 25. No real reasoning behind this, I just like a 25 wheel base on my ditch board.

Hope all that helped. Please post up if any of you have any more questions. I need all the feedback I can get!

Mercado

**Brute379** · 09-24-2009 09:11 PM

This looks like a sweet deck!
I like the larger tail and would welcome a stiffer layup.

I like a 25-26" wheelbase..a happy agile yet stable medium.

**Petary791** · 09-24-2009 09:19 PM

Right on Mercado! Sick innovation man.

**green** · 09-24-2009 09:24 PM

Originally Posted by Mercado

So I gave it a bigger nose to prevent that and you can do nose wheelies now

Pretty sure its called a nose manual Andrew. Ha

**Petary791** · 09-24-2009 09:40 PM

Originally Posted by green

Pretty sure its called a nose manual Andrew. Ha

Wheelies are so not 2000's.

**Gary in VA** · 09-25-2009 06:16 AM

No matter how many times you youngins call it a manual, it's a Nose Wheelie. Dang whippersnappers!! Get off my lawn!!!!

Good changes Andrew. I'll get one from the next run.

**Ogre** · 09-25-2009 06:44 AM

Originally Posted by green

Pretty sure its called a nose manual Andrew. Ha

Pretty sure a "nose manual" is a noob term for nose wheelie.. what's say we do a "hippie jump' for pink slips?... LOL luv ya Max

**GreatWhiteFlash** · 09-25-2009 07:08 PM

Hmm, should I give this deck a try or just stick to the one I built a while ago...

mine:

All in all, looks like a sick board!

**Petary791** · 11-11-2009 05:43 PM

Bump time!

I'm getting quite interested in one of these but I have a few technical questions, so if you've got some good answers chime in!

1) Is this thing rock solid stiff? I really want it to be stiff.
2) I'm gonna run Indys of course. I know it's made for 169s but anyone try running 149s? I think it could be fun.
3) What's the wheel clearance situation? I'm thinking Orangatang 86A and I'm just wondering if I should go with Stimulus or Fat Frees.

Can't wait to hear the responses. I can see this being a great addition to my quiver.