So you wanna FS Air huh?

**gorillabiscuits** · 04-17-2007 10:03 PM

I vote for FS Crail!

**msk** · 04-17-2007 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by JaeKay L M N O P

So this FS Air doesn't include an ollie? You just kind of.....do a boneless without putting your foot down, in a way?

I've never thought about it that way....hmmm.....

That's how they were originally done. When Alan Gelfand first started doing his Ollie Airs, it had a bigger impact than Hawk finally getting the 900. Most people didn't even believe the trick was possible, and many originally thought he had to be using velcro or something on his shoes.

And until Hawk made it popular (by getting a lot higher than everyone else), ollieing into your airs was considered really bad style...

**pty** · 04-19-2007 04:06 PM

Excellent instructional video Bro thanks for taking the time.

**bgon** · 06-07-2007 06:12 PM

RW,

Had you in my brain when I went for a few front side airs low on the wall at the park I skate. Thanks for the inspiration. They were low but I landed them. And I was at the end of my session (worn out). Can't wait to work on them when I session again.

**EBasil** · 06-25-2007 11:34 AM

JT's been nailing some FS Airs for a few years... ho ho. He just posted this and another photo in his gallery and emailed me to remind me that he doesn't release photos unless he nails the move. (No bail shots). The other pic is even higher.

**SST** · 07-08-2007 02:49 PM

Here's what you need to for FS airs. speed and vert. lift the front wheels as your approch the lip. bonk your rear wheels off the coping, grab the board, turn a 180, eye the lip. let go of the board, land and ride away with style.

**Pinhead** · 07-08-2007 03:23 PM

If you are learning try and tuck knee not stinkbug
as shown in the clip.
I didn't know the difference and learned stingbug and can't change.

**Ras Wes** · 07-08-2007 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by SST

Here's what you need to for FS airs. speed and vert. lift the front wheels as your approch the lip. bonk your rear wheels off the coping, grab the board, turn a 180, eye the lip. let go of the board, land and ride away with style.

You don't need vert to FS air.

If you are learning try and tuck knee not stinkbug

With all due respect.. i think all this "stink bug" talk is bogus. I could go google 100 images of Jay Adams grabbing stinkbug on FS airs all day long... and I doubt anyone would question his style. Be proud of the way you execute your tricks... don't regret learning a trick because you can't do it the way people say "looks good"...

Sorry if I sound offensive.. I really don't intend to.

One love

**tbone16** · 07-08-2007 11:19 PM

Stink bug looks fine to me, I'm gonna learn these soon. Got my grinds a jamin. Whats your mini hieght wes? 3?

**upsetter** · 07-08-2007 11:49 PM

I have to chime in on this and fully agree that stink bug airs are about as bad as grabing between the legs thru heelside turns. Perfect example, That pic of Jeff Tatum above... Looks like hes poping a squat and getting ready to drop some kids off and theres no pool in sight. Sorry if I come off offending but whatever, Personal opinion....

Now time for some blatant self promotion......

**Ras Wes** · 07-09-2007 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by tbone16

Stink bug looks fine to me, I'm gonna learn these soon. Got my grinds a jamin. Whats your mini hieght wes? 3?

3'3"

Jay Adams... biggest kook of them all....

One love

**BergaLiden** · 07-09-2007 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by upsetter

I have to chime in on this and fully agree that stink bug airs are about as bad as grabing between the legs thru heelside turns. Perfect example, That pic of Jeff Tatum above... Looks like hes poping a squat and getting ready to drop some kids off and theres no pool in sight. Sorry if I come off offending but whatever, Personal opinion....

Now time for some blatant self promotion......

Niiiice man! At first sight I thought it was Salman Agah.

**SST** · 07-09-2007 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SST
Here's what you need to for FS airs. speed and vert. lift the front wheels as your approch the lip. bonk your rear wheels off the coping, grab the board, turn a 180, eye the lip. let go of the board, land and ride away with style.

You don't need vert to FS air.

to do them big and stylee you do.

**BuckWyld** · 07-09-2007 08:48 AM

can someone explain tuck knee vs stinkbug?

**rawls** · 07-09-2007 08:50 AM

whats all this "Indy" terminology? thats from THPS game programming. Regardless, that fs air on the mini ramp is text book. thats how its done. No ollie up launch, just text book grab and hold on. looks like you even had to launch with the tail a tad on such shallow terrain, but in one nice fluid movement. smooth and consistent, I liked the video, aside from the Indy terminology and 5-0 terminology. thats just basic stuff that street skaters are trying to lay claim to with naming convention. The indy 5-0 was text book fs grind with a rail grab, nothing more. But if thats what everyone is calling it, so be it.

**ocian** · 07-09-2007 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by rawls

The indy 5-0 was text book fs grind with a rail grab, nothing more. But if thats what everyone is calling it, so be it.

it's a lot easier to have it abbreviated in a conversation with calling it indy 5-0

and on the stinkbug thing, it only looks stupid if you are all stiff with knees locked and elbows locked. Then you look like a stupid tri-pod on a board

**rawls** · 07-09-2007 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by ocian

it's a lot easier to have it abbreviated in a conversation with calling it indy 5-0

An Indy is a specific grab style done backside. THPS programming is what has turned it otherwise. A 5-0 is not a regular grind. A 5-0 is basically a slide on the coping, that comes from an extended lap-over grind. very similar to smith grind, except nose-up as opposed to nose-down.

basically its a regular old fs grind. we used to grab them first, while learning, because it gave us more steadiness on the board and kept you compressed. Once everything is really fluid, it can become very stylish do a carve or grind while grabbing the rail. then you progressed onward to a fs air, using the technique.

THPS has now coined all trailing hand grabs as Indy, regardless of the turn direction. Likewise, all single truck grinds as a 5-0, and double trucks as 50-50. A grind is not a 5-0, and carve grind is not a 50-50.

Now, for Ras Wes' video progression of how to do the fs air. ITs perfect. Its exactly the way we learned it in the 70's. We went from rail grab bunny hop thing (no we never named it), to a sort of low fs rail grab, to a sort of hop. Then you progressed up the wall higher and higher, till the almighty all the way out "fs air". I just have trouble with the terminology applied. But I guess it does need idenitification. I just dont agree with the identifications. thats just me, though.

**Directive0** · 07-09-2007 10:05 AM

^ on the other hand, we can also all just call things whatever we want as theres no international body setup to determine the proper names for things.

for instance:

"I just nailed the douchebag mctwist!"

**Ras Wes** · 07-09-2007 12:30 PM

Rawls.. thanks for chiming in bud. I love to hear it firsthand from people who were there...

D0.. I think all this cosmetic/nomenclatural fuss is a little childish...

Upsetter.. That picture is just outrageous... super sick. You wouldn't happen to be from Pacifica, CA would you? There's a dude that hits P-town skatepark all the time that looks exactly like you (i mean EXACTLY)... he also surfs linda mar like a bat outta hell...

All fussing aside... I still stand by my tutorial 100%. I wasn't trying to show people how to pull airs out of 10ft pools because it's just not practical to learn on. I wanted a way for people who are new to tranny/park/pool skating to see that the "prestigious" air really isn't as elusive as it may seem to be. It's really one of the easiest tricks I can think of. Now cosmetic differences are up to the rider's opinion, like Upsetter said. So lets all stop the fussing

... I'm a proud early grabbing, poop squatting, stinkbugging maniac.

One love

**upsetter** · 07-09-2007 02:19 PM

can someone explain tuck knee vs stinkbug?

Tuck knee is when you grab behind the legs and tuck the board underneith your self. When done properly you boost higher and your re-entry is more controled. you are also curled up in a ball more so you are more aero......See the following photo for a fine example of a tuck knee....

Stink bug is when you grab between the legs and you graple it up towards your body. For some reson when I happen to do a stink bug air it feels like I have less control. My body dosnt feel compact and fluid and it seems like it puts more weight in the back of my board which offten results in looping out or hanging up. See the photo above of Jeff Tatum for a fine example of a stink bug air.

Ras Wes - No im not from pacifica, Im from So Cal..... And I cant surf worth crap.

But hey I do agree with you statment about Jay Adams being the king of all kooks........I mean how many assault and drug charges has had against himself now? Real winner......