Radikal Baseplate/Riser Bite

**NewbieDancer** · 03-09-2011 07:39 PM

So I've got a radikal claw front and it will not stop giving me riser bite. I have no idea what to do, I tried spacing out my small axles the farthest I could while getting my axle nut to fit, but still it happen. what the hell can I do guys? I'm ready to lose my mind

**kinetict** · 03-09-2011 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by NewbieDancer

So I've got a radikal claw front and it will not stop giving me riser bite. I have no idea what to do, I tried spacing out my small axles the farthest I could while getting my axle nut to fit, but still it happen. what the hell can I do guys? I'm ready to lose my mind

use side set wheels if im thinking right or bigger axles

**NewbieDancer** · 03-09-2011 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by kinetict

use side set wheels if im thinking right or bigger axles

So it's pretty buy or die?

**Borto** · 03-09-2011 08:08 PM

you need the next size or 2 up in axles

I would go with the 1/2"set
when using the stock 1/4"or 3/8"it is really easy to get wheelbite
on the risers/baseplates

The stock front truck with no axles is 3.0"(76mm).

Axles sizes: (per axle)
1/4"(.250) or (6.35mm)
3/8"(.375) or (9.5mm)
1/2"(.500) or (12.7mm)
5/8"(.625) or (15.85mm)
3/4"(.750) or (19mm)
1.0"(1.0) or (25.4mm)

So just do the math to see what you want to run or need.

**NewbieDancer** · 03-09-2011 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Borto

you need the next size or 2 up in axles

I would go with the 1/2"set
when using the stock 1/4"or 3/8"it is really easy to get wheelbite
on the risers/baseplates

The stock front truck with no axles is 3.0"(76mm).

Axles sizes: (per axle)
1/4"(.250) or (6.35mm)
3/8"(.375) or (9.5mm)
1/2"(.500) or (12.7mm)
5/8"(.625) or (15.85mm)
3/4"(.750) or (19mm)
1.0"(1.0) or (25.4mm)

So just do the math to see what you want to run or need.

The thing is I really wanted to try and figure out a way to fix it without having to purchase anything. I'm hoping to purchase anything I will need in texas. I've seemed to fix it for now but I haven't been able to go out due to rain. My axle nut are barely on, and I have like 5 washers on 1 side and none on the other.

I'm hoping that I will be able to practice with this setup

**blueb** · 03-09-2011 08:16 PM

I hated that "feature" of Radicals too...
Smaller wheels; side set wheels; longer axles; less wedging; cupped washers; stiffer bushings, replace the truck with something else... As you can imagine, not all of these solutions are equally good.

**sniffleless** · 03-09-2011 08:38 PM

Yeah. IF you're running the narrowest axle this is a common problem. The only other thing I can think of that hasn't been mentioned is trim down the inner lip of your wheels. Eliminator bushings are good to limit hanger movement. The extra bit in the middle gets pinched and might stop the hanger before you get bit. but that will limit your turn some.

**NewbieDancer** · 03-09-2011 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by sniffleless

Yeah. IF you're running the narrowest axle this is a common problem. The only other thing I can think of that hasn't been mentioned is trim down the inner lip of your wheels. Eliminator bushings are good to limit hanger movement. The extra bit in the middle gets pinched and might stop the hanger before you get bit. but that will limit your turn some.

Eliminators? did you use em on top or on the bottom? I guess I got to restrict my feel for the sake of this truck. I'm testing the radikal out before I buy, and at the moment none of this is going well. I like the feel I'm getting until I get pitched froward. I may just save a bit and get a gog front.

I have eliminators, and I think I still have some cupped washers sitting around though. This is getting to be balls.

**sniffleless** · 03-09-2011 09:22 PM

I tried them top and bottom. I found them to restricting on the front truck for my liking but I like them on the rear truck. But a Elim as a bottom bushing might work for you. It's worth a try.

**Jaguar** · 03-10-2011 06:23 AM

There's no baseplate bite with GOGS.

**NewbieDancer** · 03-10-2011 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by sniffleless

I tried them top and bottom. I found them to restricting on the front truck for my liking but I like them on the rear truck. But a Elim as a bottom bushing might work for you. It's worth a try.

Well I guess I must try. I was wondering how can I know if I need fine or coarse thread axles? I need a crash coarse in it.

**revzack** · 03-10-2011 08:32 AM

I have axles I think. Are the threads coarse or fine on the axle to the hanger? You can also put a washer or two behind the axle between the hanger to space it out abit.

**skully** · 03-10-2011 11:40 AM

Newbie: Are you actually getting baseplate bite, or is the inner lip of the wheel hitting your hardware?

If it's the hardware, make sure you cut down the bolts so they sit flush with the nylock nuts. You can also flip your hardware...

Originally Posted by Jaguar

There's no baseplate bite with GOGS.

Depends on the GOG. Old non-adjustable baseplate? Baseplate bite is definitely an option with the truck spaced narrow and big wheels...

**JoeB** · 03-10-2011 11:49 AM

you could try running double blue eliminators, they are amazing bushings for slalom. I use a white khiro bottom (spaced with a section of bennett barrel) and a blue elim top on a spherical bennett (8* wedging) and it is amazing. The venom urethane has lots of dive and tons of bounce. I get as much response as I did with double white khiros, but a more stable centre and more rebound. if it weren't for the spherical stopping the lean, I feel the elim would cut out a lot of lean, but I think that for all the added rebound it is easily worth it. I would suggest trying double blue elims and perhaps oranges too (I weigh 160lb) to kill some lean and give you some rebound. I would be suggesting this even if you didn't have a problem haha, using elims was the best bushing-based decision I have ever made.

You could also trim the inner lips of your wheels.

**NewbieDancer** · 03-10-2011 07:19 PM

Well at the moment I stopped it, but I have definitely killed allot of turn. It feels allot deader, and I'm not liking that. I have a **** ton of extra washers on one side (I believe I have 5). I also put cupped washers, and I don't get the bite anymore but it sucks that this had to happen.

First it was hitting my baseplate, then it hit my riser. A truck shouldn't honestly do something like that especially one with such high esteem. It should really come with the required axle size for offset wheels that are mostly used now-a-days

@ Zack, I don't know what axle thread it is, how would I know exactly? If you have .500" axle that would be awesome. I really would like this truck to do what it needs to do without having to kill all my tweaking capabilities.

I'm really close to just dropping money on a front GOG. Sadly I'm not sure if I have the money at the moment though >.>

**sniffleless** · 03-10-2011 08:06 PM

What wheels are you running?

As far as how to know which thread you have/need. Besides removing the axle for a look-see there is this note from sk8kings...
Note -- Trucks manufactured/purchased after September 2007 -- designed to work with coarse-thread axles only. For trucks manufactured/purchased before that time, choose the fine-thread axles.

**easy** · 03-10-2011 08:16 PM

Would actually help to know what wheels you are running; but if you dead set on using the stock axles, side set wheels are your best bet. Trimming the inner lips will help cure the bite also - the universal axles from sk8kings make things real easy.

**NewbieDancer** · 03-10-2011 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by easy

Would actually help to know what wheels you are running; but if you dead set on using the stock axles, side set wheels are your best bet. Trimming the inner lips will help cure the bite also - the universal axles from sk8kings make things real easy.

Well I honestly don't want to use the stock axles but I don't want to have to purchase something and wait for it to come in and all that when I'm just trying them out to see if I like em. There not mine yet, and I was going to buy them if everything was working out

Oh and you are right I forgot to mention my wheels! I have 71mm Bennett Alligators. I guess let me go ahead and take off the axles although I'm wondering how exactly do they differ in look? I'm not well versed in the difference between fine and coarse.

I guess it's just I don't want to make the purchase then not really enjoy the trucks when I tweak em and then give em back only to have spent 25 bucks plus shipping on axles that are useless to me.

**easy** · 03-10-2011 08:57 PM

Unless you with the universal axles that let you use spacers, axles on radikals are almost like bushings; having a few sets to tune your setup for wheels, courses, etc. is normal. As far as liking the truck, no worries there, they work and are worth the investment if you are going to race.

**NewbieDancer** · 03-14-2011 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by easy

Unless you with the universal axles that let you use spacers, axles on radikals are almost like bushings; having a few sets to tune your setup for wheels, courses, etc. is normal. As far as liking the truck, no worries there, they work and are worth the investment if you are going to race.

Well I finally got em to work, Zack sent me the axles and a radikal wedged riser, and now this truck is turning like it's meant to do! Great day for me, my slalom rig, and the radikal!